The Kimber 84M

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I hunt with quite a few people that don`t drive around from stand to stand and blind to blind, and often put on double digits in miles in a day at elevation, and that would include myself. I can guarantee that you wouldn`t keep up on many of the excursions I have went on let alone some of my more successful friends.

I do understand how you hunt and your normal fall routine, and a heavy gun is just fine for you. I am not going to carry a 10lb slug around chasing sheep, mule deer or elk in the mountains. But I don`t expect you to understand that.

I also don`t need to be told I am somehow clueless or incapable of shooting a light rifle, and that pencil barrels are inaccurate. I have and had light rifles that shoot more than well enough to be consistant 500yd rifles, including your old 30-06 that weighs 7lbs ready to hunt. The little 6.5x47 that I shot yesterday weighing 6.25lbs made a few 1" 5 shot groups. That sucks.

Its getting tiring being `told`by certain people how it is.

And since when did the schmoe behind the gun counter know what he was talking about anyway

Geez, take a chill pill............I didn't know that I was personally talking to you. What do you mean "successful friends". How do you measure success? Moreover, how do I hunt? How do you know that I cannot keep up with you. Christ I'm 55 years old and weigh 225 pounds. What do you want me to do, climb mountains and shoot a dumb sheep and pack it out 10 miles? Is that how you measure success? I talked about the Kimber rifle and all you did was throw personal insults. Take a time out Andrew and mature a bit.

 

[Jordan Smith]

The biggest problem with light rifles, is that lots of guys can't shoot them. It takes more skill and attention to shoot small groups with a light rifle than it does with a heavy rifle.

The guys that I hunt with walk, hike, climb, or whatever it takes to get to where the animals are. Most of the road hunters complain that there are no animals around, while we pack meat back to the truck on our backs. We're not the only ones around that I see doing this. Sure, there are a lot of road/tree/blind hunters that don't like to hike, but there are lots that do hike, too. I would certainly say that there is a valid purpose for light rifles (and that is based on my experience with 7lbs rifles, 8.5lbs rifles, and 10lbs rifles).

Thin barrels don't shoot??? News to me My experience doesn't support that theory. Tikka T3's have thin barrels, as do most of my serious hunting rifles. I'm not happy until all my rifles shoot 0.5-1MOA. I posted about my accuracy experiences with my Montana in the "Kimber Roulette" thread on 24hourcampfire. Seems like there are a bunch of guys that own Kimbers that shoot along with the best of 'em...

 

[Eagleye]

I have yet to see a Kimber rifle that I couldn't live without.
Maybe there is one out there, but I have not laid eyes on it to date.
Apparently some are very accurate.
But some are "iffy" at best.
Paying what one does, I would expect performance in every case.
Eagleye.

 

[rem338win]

Geez, take a chill pill............I didn't know that I was personally talking to you. What do you mean "successful friends". How do you measure success? Moreover, how do I hunt? How do you know that I cannot keep up with you. Christ I'm 55 years old and weigh 225 pounds. What do you want me to do, climb mountains and shoot a dumb sheep and pack it out 10 miles? Is that how you measure success? I talked about the Kimber rifle and all you did was throw personal insults. Take a time out Andrew and mature a bit.

At what point did I personally insult you? And my maturity would allow me to see that there is a good reason for people to look for production "light" rifles and not ask why anyone would need them.
Succesfull friends would describe people that work hard and achieve their goals. And I would expect you to pack one of your beloved 10lb rifles 10 miles into sheep country shoot one and pack it out and then tell us that you wouldn`t prefer a 6lb bangstick that could have done the exact same job.
And in all reason Gary, I have a few inches on you, weigh less than you, and have 25 years less wear on my frame. I doubt you could keep up, and take that as a challenge if you like.
For the record, I like a good spot, stalk or ambush hunt too. It doesn't have to involve a record setting hiking pace to be a succesful hunt. And I didn`t come onto a Cooper thread and bash heavy rifles and claim they are inaccurate without experience with them did I. Last I checked my response was calm.....
Focus on the facts Gary, facts....and it will all seem mature and less "personal".

 

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At what point did I personally insult you? And my maturity would allow me to see that there is a good reason for people to look for production "light" rifles and not ask why anyone would need them.
Succesfull friends would describe people that work hard and achieve their goals. And I would expect you to pack one of your beloved 10lb rifles 10 miles into sheep country shoot one and pack it out and then tell us that you wouldn`t prefer a 6lb bangstick that could have done the exact same job.
And in all reason Gary, I have a few inches on you, weigh less than you, and have 25 years less wear on my frame. I doubt you could keep up, and take that as a challenge if you like.
For the record, I like a good spot, stalk or ambush hunt too. It doesn't have to involve a record setting hiking pace to be a succesful hunt. And I didn`t come onto a Cooper thread and bash heavy rifles and claim they are inaccurate without experience with them did I. Last I checked my response was calm.....
Focus on the facts Gary, facts....and it will all seem mature and less "personal".

All I quoted were facts/a critique of what I had saw in a Kimber rifle, "not you", nor any other person did I mention. I'm not bashing "your" gun, only a critique on a firearm. You can say all you want good or bad about Coopers, Weatherby's etc. I don't really care, but don't make it personal.
I've guided Americans on monster mulies, and personally my son and I have killed big whitetails, but we "DO NOT" measure success by our kills, but only being together and having a safe and enjoyable hunt.
Don't forget Andrew, I'm only talking about a "thing" an "object" a "firearm",
not you.

 

[Huntin' Gun]

I really question why people want a light firearm, and the reason why I ask this is only through experience. Why do people want a light firearm when most I've noticed don't even walk. They either drive around every county grid road, sit in a ground blind, tower blind or tree stand. It's the other way around for me, I walk with heavy rifles.
I believe that the reason Kimbers don't shoot that well is because it is to light and has a pencil barrel, moreover; mauser actions are not noted to perform accurately than a push feed action.
Why go to the trouble to purchase a firearm that cost $1,300 to $2,500 and have to tweek it to shoot accurate. I find that the Kimbers are very nice looking firearms, but that is how far I will go with them.

So it sounds like you don't understand the need for a light rifle because YOU don't walk much. YOU drive around or sit still all day, so you don't see the need for a light rifle.

I don't own a Kimber nor a Cooper [and probably never will either] but I do like lightweight rifles because I walk a lot when I hunt. Deer, elk, whatever. 10 miles days on foot are normal. That's part of the enjoyment I get from hunting, and I sure see a lot more game while out on foot that I would driving around or sitting in a blind. But that has a lot to do with the kind of country I hunt.

Now, I don't have the $ to get an ULTRAlight rifle. My lightest rifles are 7lbs scoped.

So, just because you don't understand why some people like a light rifle, doesn't mean that nobody should want or need one.

 

[pete dobinson]

Ive heard it mentioned that Kimbers have pencil barrels, my Montana has a heavier barrel contour than my Schultz & Larsen. My question is, does the Kimber America have a smaller barrel contour than a Kimber Montana? Also my Montana weighs alot less than the Schultz and my buddies Weatherby which also has a smaller contoured barrel.

 

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So it sounds like you don't understand the need for a light rifle because YOU don't walk much. YOU drive around or sit still all day, so you don't see the need for a light rifle.

I don't own a Kimber nor a Cooper [and probably never will either] but I do like lightweight rifles because I walk a lot when I hunt. Deer, elk, whatever. 10 miles days on foot are normal. That's part of the enjoyment I get from hunting, and I sure see a lot more game while out on foot that I would driving around or sitting in a blind. But that has a lot to do with the kind of country I hunt.

Now, I don't have the $ to get an ULTRAlight rifle. My lightest rifles are 7lbs scoped.

So, just because you don't understand why some people like a light rifle, doesn't mean that nobody should want or need one.

Obviously you did not read my first post.................I do nothing but walk.

 

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Ive heard it mentioned that Kimbers have pencil barrels, my Montana has a heavier barrel contour than my Schultz & Larsen. My question is, does the Kimber America have a smaller barrel contour than a Kimber Montana? Also my Montana weighs alot less than the Schultz and my buddies Weatherby which also has a smaller contoured barrel.

The Kimber Super America has the same contour as the Montana, or at least my previous Kimber Montana.

 

[Sun_and_Steel_77]

All I quoted were facts/a critique of what I had saw in a Kimber rifle, "not you", nor any other person did I mention. I'm not bashing "your" gun, only a critique on a firearm.

CGN can spike a guys blood-pressure at times, and sometimes it's hard to express oneself in text.
Even though they can be downright annoying, emoticons go along way.
At the end of the day though, you're still left with the small percentage of the population that are just d$ckheads, of which I haven't noticed any of in this thread.......except maybe Archie!!! Liberal use of emoticons!

If you go back aways in this particular thread there is definitely alot of shenanigans going on.
I've got into my share of CGN "dust-ups" from time to time, some days a guys skin is just thicker than the next.
Nothin' personal...just business...I need a hug

 

[pete dobinson]

The Kimber Super America has the same contour as the Montana, or at least my previous Kimber Montana.

So you dont like the pencil barrel on the Kimber America but you like it on a Weatherby?

 

[archie_james_c]

CGN can spike a guys blood-pressure at times, and sometimes it's hard to express oneself in text.
Even though they can be downright annoying, emoticons go along way.
At the end of the day though, you're still left with the small percentage of the population that are just d$ckheads, of which I haven't noticed any of in this thread.......except maybe Archie!!! Liberal use of emoticons!

If you go back aways in this particular thread there is definitely alot of shenanigans going on.
I've got into my share of CGN "dust-ups" from time to time, some days a guys skin is just thicker than the next.
Nothin' personal...just business...I need a hug

#### you you yuppy hiker


For what its worth, I dont have a TON of use for a ultra light big game rifle. I don't think I would go bigger than a .260/7-08 in a montana. Track, I hunted the last 3 years with a 8.75 pound Sako 85 and I do a lot of walking as well. I dont hunt mountains, just a lot of hardwood ridges, old logging cuts etc. I now have an 8lb Model 7 in 7mm RSAUM to loaf in the woods.


I bought this lightweight Kimber for carrying while steelhead fishing in the spring and fall. Ice fishing and yote hunting. Also for tons of target practice for cheap. I see tons of yotes and wolves on the ice while ice fishing and steelheading and I wanted something light that I can carry along with my fishing gear.

 

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So you dont like the pencil barrel on the Kimber America but you like it on a Weatherby?

What premisies do you have that I like a pencil barrel on a Weatherby?

 

[rem338win]

I really question why people want a light firearm, and the reason why I ask this is only through experience. Why do people want a light firearm when most I've noticed don't even walk. They either drive around every county grid road, sit in a ground blind, tower blind or tree stand. It's the other way around for me, I walk with heavy rifles.
I believe that the reason Kimbers don't shoot that well is because it is to light and has a pencil barrel, moreover; mauser actions are not noted to perform accurately than a push feed action.
Why go to the trouble to purchase a firearm that cost $1,300 to $2,500 and have to tweek it to shoot accurate. I find that the Kimbers are very nice looking firearms, but that is how far I will go with them.

Geez, take a chill pill............I didn't know that I was personally talking to you. What do you mean "successful friends". How do you measure success? Moreover, how do I hunt? How do you know that I cannot keep up with you. Christ I'm 55 years old and weigh 225 pounds. What do you want me to do, climb mountains and shoot a dumb sheep and pack it out 10 miles? Is that how you measure success? I talked about the Kimber rifle and all you did was throw personal insults. Take a time out Andrew and mature a bit.

All I quoted were facts/a critique of what I had saw in a Kimber rifle, "not you", nor any other person did I mention. I'm not bashing "your" gun, only a critique on a firearm. You can say all you want good or bad about Coopers, Weatherby's etc. I don't really care, but don't make it personal.
I've guided Americans on monster mulies, and personally my son and I have killed big whitetails, but we "DO NOT" measure success by our kills, but only being together and having a safe and enjoyable hunt.
Don't forget Andrew, I'm only talking about a "thing" an "object" a "firearm",
not you.

All I can say is: Huh?

Where was I not objective and yet subjective? In context I pointed out your experience has nothing to do with the manner in which most people who do appreciate a "light" rifle hunt, and you have agreed with that indirectly more than once. I don't understand how that is personal.

I will point out that the above posts do make your opinion on these and other light rifles look "opinionated" and not experienced. The last two gentlemen have pointed that out also. I have no issue with the Coopers you have championed in this Kimber thread.

Describe why a Kimber, with which you admit you have little experience, is a poor choice for most people in a factual manner, and stop responding with "why are you picking on me". You came into this thread and made a contrary statement and seemed surprised that people disagree with you. That is not personal in anyway.

An example of a personal attack would be as follows:

"I don't see why Archie needs light Montanas, as he lives in flat, heavily treed, useless Ontario, and being a short legged slightly effeminate troll could never hike far enough to appreciate the lack of weight more than if he where to take the extra fried chicken off of his plate between the buffet and his dinner table." ("Archie" is a fictional character that in no way resembles anyone on this board)

I have not said anything like that about you.

 

[pete dobinson]

What premisies do you have that I like a pencil barrel on a Weatherby?

Maybe Im mistaken, but I had you pegged as a weatherby fan.

 

[Sun_and_Steel_77]

"I don't see why Archie needs light Montanas, as he lives in flat, heavily treed, useless Ontario, and being a short legged slightly effeminate troll could never hike far enough to appreciate the lack of weight more than if he where to take the extra fried chicken off of his plate between the buffet and his dinner table." ("Archie" is a fictional character that in no way resembles anyone on this board)

 

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Maybe Im mistaken, but I had you pegged as a weatherby fan.

What premises do you have to peg me as a Weatherby fan?

 

[track]

All I can say is: Huh?

Where was I not objective and yet subjective? In context I pointed out your experience has nothing to do with the manner in which most people who do appreciate a "light" rifle hunt, and you have agreed with that indirectly more than once. I don't understand how that is personal.

I will point out that the above posts do make your opinion on these and other light rifles look "opinionated" and not experienced. The last two gentlemen have pointed that out also. I have no issue with the Coopers you have championed in this Kimber thread.

Describe why a Kimber, with which you admit you have little experience, is a poor choice for most people in a factual manner, and stop responding with "why are you picking on me". You came into this thread and made a contrary statement and seemed surprised that people disagree with you. That is not personal in anyway.

An example of a personal attack would be as follows:

"I don't see why Archie needs light Montanas, as he lives in flat, heavily treed, useless Ontario, and being a short legged slightly effeminate troll could never hike far enough to appreciate the lack of weight more than if he where to take the extra fried chicken off of his plate between the buffet and his dinner table." ("Archie" is a fictional character that in no way resembles anyone on this board)

I have not said anything like that about you.

I don't care for your attitude nor your comments about Archie. I don't have to justify my thoughts to a person half my age and experience in life. Your just an urban smarta$$.

 

[Jordan Smith]

Now THAT...is frickin' HILARIOUS!

 

[rem338win]

I don't care for your attitude nor your comments about Archie. I don't have to justify my thoughts to a person half my age and experience in life. Your just an urban smarta$$.

Wow. I doubt you even know "Archie", and I do.

And an urban smartass? This is the first personal insult slung by any person, though accusations have been made. For the record, I am not urban though a smartass could be taken as a complement at this point.

If age excuses accountability you are king, but that sounds like a cop-out, and I do have an expectation that when some one gives a critique as an "experienced" person and they are challenged on it they respond reasonably. Your response stinks of pride.

Frankly this was a conversation, but it looks like you were expecting mindless accolades on your 15 minute assessment of a rifle at a gun counter with the counter guy's opinion given gospel reverence as well.

This is just the thoughts of a rural thinker.......