Glock kaboom! pics added

easyrider604 said:
The 9mm is a high pressure round, approx 30,000psi, similar to .40 cal.

The 45 acp is a 19K psi cartridge. If double charged....probably closer to 40,000psi?...my guess is as good as anybody's. The 1911 is not designed to handle kaboom level pressures, although I heard that proof tests are done at twice the normal pressure.

Anyway, many believe the G22 kb issue is due to less case support in its chamber.




I believe this is a CYB (cover your butt) warning by Glock's lawyers. I have shot a few magazines of lead bullets through my G17. No issues with leading. If you want to shoot lead, try one magazine at a time. Check your bore with a borelight so you clearly see the rifling or the lead fouling.

Read other forums and you will see some Glock shooters who shoot 2-300 rounds of lead bullets through their polygonal barrels and no kaboom or harmfull effects. The key is keeping the bore as clean as possible. If one knows the "limits" of his Glock and understand bullets or reloading them, it should be ok to shoot lead, but if anything bad happens, your SOL.
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Apparently my intel is off with regards to chamber pressures. As for the unsupported chamber, its crap. There is little if any difference between the G22 chamber and some of the others in the photo.

As for lead in stock barrels. Its more than doable. A shooter I know has well over 40K through his G19(12.6) all lead reloads. A little more care in watching for lead buildup and more frequent scrubbing and its a non issue. You're right, the no lead policy is Glock covering their a$$ from stupid people who don't maintain their gear.

TDC

ETA: On a side note, here's a link with photo of three Glock barrels. Note the "lack of support" on the 9mm barrel which as pointed out is capable of equally high pressures as .40.
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/kb-notes.html
 
if you are thinking metal frame because you want more strength incase it happends again, i think a metal frame would turn you gun into more of a grenade than a plastic would.
 
TDC said:
As for the unsupported chamber, its crap. There is little if any difference between the G22 chamber and some of the others in the photo.

ETA: On a side note, here's a link with photo of three Glock barrels. Note the "lack of support" on the 9mm barrel which as pointed out is capable of equally high pressures as .40.
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/kb-notes.html
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I agree. Obviously, as discussed in this article, it has more to do with the Glocks' charming ability to release the striker up to 1/4" (!) out of battery.

Who cares if the chamber's unsupported if you're not using it anyway? Perfection.
 
Ouch. I would feel pretty bad if I were the guy that provided reloads to somebody that ended up destroying their gun, or worse. I trust only in my own(and I made a boo boo once too).
 
As already stated, I also think that the Glock fired out of battery rather than an overload. My G22 went the same way with Winchester factory ammo and I had the frame and a few parts replaced. If your barrel/chamber is fine, there could not have been an overload because then the chamber would give or show some signs of too much pressure even if the case ruptured due to poor support. Perhaps a round was either not fully sized or too long (hard to imagine with Glock's cavernous chamber) and the gun was not fully into battery.
 
TDC said:
As for lead in stock barrels. Its more than doable. A shooter I know has well over 40K through his G19(12.6) all lead reloads. A little more care in watching for lead buildup and more frequent scrubbing and its a non issue.
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Had to chime in as I have near 7000 rounds of lead 125gr RN with too a low a charge to work with my Lonewolf 4 port barrel (not enough pressure to cycle, lot's of FTE's)
Have been utilizing the stock (non-ported) barrel to get through them.
1000 rounds last Sat & 1000 this Sat and no ill effects. Lead build up came off easily. 0 issues.

Accuracy is SH%$T though. Not really a concern as I'm trying to get through them and reload to the new specs ;)

Just some helpful info....
 
I still have a stuck case in it. Once I get a chance to clear it and have a good look at it, I'll post my findings. I'm not soured on Glock. I realize this was probably just my error that caused the failure.

I've had offers to buy entire gun, the slide, and was surprised to get an offer to buy the cracked frame.

I'm trying to decide if I'm going to try to buy a new frame for this one, part it all out, or buy a G17 and have a .40 slide for it.

I have a 3 gallon pail of of brass and a thousand .40 bullets (mine are jacketed), as well as a bunch of mags and a brand new holster, I don't know if I want to get away from .40. I've always intended to buy a 9mm as well, so maybe the G17 is the answer. :confused:

I found some threads on the net on the CCF frames and am not sure about them. I like the idea of adding a little weight to the Glock with a metal frame, but is seems some guys have had some trouble with them. It sounds like most problems were when you use one of the CCF frames and aftermarket Glock barrels and parts.

I see Lone Wolf makes Glock frames too. Maybe a guy can get them through Questar?
 
Miltiades said:
As already stated, I also think that the Glock fired out of battery rather than an overload. My G22 went the same way with Winchester factory ammo and I had the frame and a few parts replaced. If your barrel/chamber is fine, there could not have been an overload because then the chamber would give or show some signs of too much pressure even if the case ruptured due to poor support. Perhaps a round was either not fully sized or too long (hard to imagine with Glock's cavernous chamber) and the gun was not fully into battery.
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I'll get the pics up tonight with the damage.

Where did you get yours repaired? How much was the new frame?

Thanks,

Dave
 
Here is a picture of the Glock iterations. The early Glocks suffered from unsupported cases but Glock made some changes and the new ones, as TDC correctly observed, are as supported as any of the pistols he illustrated.

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Guys at the Cast Boolit Forum who own Glocks regularly shoot lead in them. The secret is to clean the guns after use. Lead is easily removed but it must be removed or things can get exciting. The 40cal is pretty hard to double charge so I doubt that is what caused the cracked slide and kaboom.

I have experienced a double charge of 231 in my .45acp 1911. The barrel certainly took the pressure but the grips got cracked, my hands were blackened and my ego was hurt. Aside from the grips the gun was not damaged.

Take Care

Bob
 
had a similar experience with my glock 17. i just changed powders and was quickly loading, not really paying much attention. first shot the mag shot out and my hand was pulsing. i was waiting for blood to start gushing out AND seriously worrying about my glock.

needless to say i got very lucky, no blood or damage to the glock.

a picture of the case.
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adding a little weight to the Glock
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I have found the best way is to simply add a Heavy tungsten guide rod & Heavy mag well.

It will point and shoot damn near as good as your 1911.

It doesn't take much, just the right amounts in the right spot.
 
TACTICAL111 said:
I have found the best way is to simply add a Heavy tungsten guide rod & Heavy mag well.

It will point and shoot damn near as good as your 1911.

It doesn't take much, just the right amounts in the right spot.
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I've considered the tungsten guide rod, but didn't know about the heavy magwell.

I'm still new to pistols, and was just planning on getting a bunch of rounds through the Glock to get used to it and then decide on what I would want for mods.

I hadn't considered a metal frame (nor did I know they were made) for the GLock until I cracked this one. :redface:
 
DaveC said:
If I could read, would there be something that you could say that would take me back in time to prevent my mistakes? Do you have one of those hot tub time machines?:D

Obviously I f'd up. I'm sharing my experience so that maybe someone else can avoid the same mistakes.
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If you are local to the GVRD, I would happily strip you gun and install your parts in a new frame for you if you like.
 
DaveC said:
I'll get the pics up tonight with the damage.

Where did you get yours repaired? How much was the new frame?

Thanks,

Dave
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Hi Dave:

I sent mine to Police Ordnance that is, I believe, the service center for Glock. The frame (a second generation) was replaced for $75, if I recall, plus a few more parts. Glock disputed it was a factory load that did, blamed reloads but I know what I shot in it. Neither the slide or the barrel were damaged and I still have the case, which was not ruptured! The frame just cracked! Oh well. In the end it will cost you much less to get a new frame than buying a new Glock. Police Ordnance took care of the registration paperwork. Great service.
 
TDC said:
Both 9mm and .45 are low pressure rounds, whereas .40cal is not.

TDC
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Hi TDC:

Not true at all. The SAAMI pressures for 9 mm and .40 S&W are the same. 9 mm NATO is quite a bit hotter. The .45 ACP is about half the pressure of either 9 mm or .40 S&W.

I think one difference between 9 mm and .40 S&W is the shape and thickness of the two cases at the base. The 9 mm ones are thicker (the case is tapered as well) and they were made to be strong enough to be fired in open bolt SMG's. This and their smaller capacity that make it nearly impossible to double charge make it a safer bet for reloaders.
 
Zeddy said:
If you are local to the GVRD, I would happily strip you gun and install your parts in a new frame for you if you like.
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That's a nice offer! Unfortunately, I'm in Edmonton. So far, it looks like the frame and the extractor are pooched.
 
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