should my remington 11 87 jam every 2nd or third shot?

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I bought a remingtom 11 87 and paid around $1000. all it does is jam up ,wont eject.......im done, I like the look and style of the shotgun but as far as quality goes and being reliable... NO WAY!... i will never touch a remington again

I Bought a Browning Auto 5 ( in 1989) and this shotgun has never failed me its worked perfectly every time.I also bought a browning BLR 22 its around 18 years old and it works like a charm, Now Im looking at buying a 20 gage BPS and a 12 gage BPS.......makes a nice set

Keep up the fine work Browning
 
Must be something wrong with mine, it never jams. Think maybe this thread is about lets bash Remington again as opposed to the actual gun. It's kind of like what's going on in another forum. A guy is done with Remington because the choke is crooked in his Wingmaster. He is pi_ _ ed because Remington won't give him warranty, 18 years after he bought the gun.
 
The two I have had did not like certain ammo,find the right combo and type it should be as reliable as all Remington shot gun,debate now!!
 
Should my Remington 11/87 jam every 2nd or third shot?
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The answer is both yes and no. The gun is designed to function with many, but not all, types of ammo all the time. If it functioned with any ammo, it would do damage with the heavy loads.

Since the gun is brand spanking new it is very possible that a part has been left out, or a couple of parts installed incorrectly. The possibility of malfunctions rises when light powered ammo is used.

You have purchased a quality shotgun, don't get too flustered yet, we just need to figure out where the hiccup is.

What kind of ammo are using? The ounces of shot and the "Dr Eq" or dram equivalent is important. If you have 1oz, 2.5 dram loads then that is probably the problem.

You made comment about the Browning A5. It too is supposed to have changes made when firing light loads or heavy loads, damage or malfunctions can occur if you don't.

Check the manual for proper sequence of assembly of the Piston, Piston Seal and Barrel Seal. Also check the Gas Cylinder Collar. A Barrel Seal Activator may also be needed.

~ What ammo are you having trouble with, please be specific?
~ What gauge and chamber length?
~ Wood or synthetic?
 
I have an 11-87 that works great with Federal target loads, but won't cycle the Winchester stuff that Walmart sells here at all. Both boxes say 3 dram equivalent on them, but somehow the gun can tell the difference.

I'd try a box of Federals first before you give up on it. If your eats them as well as mine does, then you can use up the rest of your old ammo by putting a Federal in as your first shot and the other brand in as your second. As an added bonus you won't have to bend over to pick up the 2nd casing since it'll be sticking 1/2 way out of the receiver when the bolt catches it!
 
Yes, there could be a lot of reasons. First, what model is it. Is it the 3 1/2" super mag and I'm guessing it is if he paid $1000.00? It is not designed for lighter loads. Was the gun cleaned before using. Did the op have it apart and put something back together wrong? Is the o ring even in place. If it is the 1187 sportsman 3", sometimes shooting a couple of boxes of heavy loads first sort of breaks the gun in. But the OP didn't even question what could possibly be wrong. Just that the gun is junk and he is already on to the next. Don't think he realy wants to know what could be going on.
 
I bought one new in 1987 when they came out and that gun would eat everything I put in it from 2 3/4" light target loads to 3" steel never a problem and I cleaned it after every outing. So when they cam out with the 3 1/2 version I picked up a new one of those. No matter what I did all it did was jam and I could never find out the real reason, then rem sent a add on gas kit to fix the light load issue which helped but it was still not 100%.I have found the year made makes a big difference the older 3" ones seem to work fine but after 2000 or so issues started again. I switched to browning golds and winchester x2&3 and never looked back. Sorry I could not be of some help but I am pretty good around fixing guns but could never get my 3 1/2 1187 working 100%.
 
I really enjoy these threads because it keeps reminding me never to buy a remington product. I would tie it to a rock and throw it in lake ontario. This is Remington country.
3macs1 said:
I bought one new in 1987 when they came out and that gun would eat everything I put in it from 2 3/4" light target loads to 3" steel never a problem and I cleaned it after every outing. So when they cam out with the 3 1/2 version I picked up a new one of those. No matter what I did all it did was jam and I could never find out the real reason, then rem sent a add on gas kit to fix the light load issue which helped but it was still not 100%.I have found the year made makes a big difference the older 3" ones seem to work fine but after 2000 or so issues started again. I switched to browning golds and winchester x2&3 and never looked back. Sorry I could not be of some help but I am pretty good around fixing guns but could never get my 3 1/2 1187 working 100%.
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sgblair said:
I have an 11-87 that works great with Federal target loads, but won't cycle the Winchester stuff that Walmart sells here at all. Both boxes say 3 dram equivalent on them, but somehow the gun can tell the difference.

I'd try a box of Federals first before you give up on it. If your eats them as well as mine does, then you can use up the rest of your old ammo by putting a Federal in as your first shot and the other brand in as your second. As an added bonus you won't have to bend over to pick up the 2nd casing since it'll be sticking 1/2 way out of the receiver when the bolt catches it!
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Mine didn't like the cheap WIN loads either.(Before smoothing out the gun) The steel bases are poorly sized and cause hang ups.this coupled with friction from rough machining was enough to cause problems. Also I think WIN over states what its ammo does.
 
Since you obviously don't want that boat anchor of a poor excuse for a rusted out POS Remington that could never be a simple fix shotgun.......feel free to donate it to the Ciphery needs a second Remington Shot gun charity foundation. ;)
 
I hate to say it, but the new Remington Express and Sportsman (and possibly others) are terrible and therein lies the problem. Older Remingtons, including the original 3" 11-87's were extremely reliable. As long as you had a spare o-ring handy there was little to keep them from grinding case after case of shells. But, sadly, somewhere just after the turn of the millennium Remington quality took a nose dive. I've seen two brand new 11-87 Sportsman break after less than a box of shells (one, a 20 gauge, jammed open after only the 2nd round) and the new 870's are rough, gritty, unreliable junk. I watched a poor helpless soul at the skeet club banging his new camo Remington 870 on the ground to pump it every 3rd or fourth time, while shooting a round of skeet with the guy he just sold his old Wingmaster to and it never skipped a beat after 20 years of heavy use. He said after 20 years with the same gun he decided to treat himself to a new camo one, and I actually felt bad for him. It takes a lot of de-engineering to make an 870 unreliable but Remington achieved it.

I expect Remington will butcher Marlin too, so hang on to your pre-2010 Marlins and expect their value to stay very solid or maybe even go up beyond that of a new one from Remington.

I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool lover of Remington and I mourn the death of Big Green.:( I hope Remington realizes their mistakes before it is too late.
 
The 1187 Sportsman I bought was bought new in 2008 so it is a newer one. It has given absolutely no trouble at all. I will say though that I maintain the only reason the OP started this thread was to get this Remington debate going again. Notice he has not checked back in yet and his original post looks more like a promotional ad for Browning. He basically asked zero questions and never really stated a purpose for his post.
 
gunsaholic said:
The 1187 Sportsman I bought was bought new in 2008 so it is a newer one. It has given absolutely no trouble at all. I will say though that I maintain the only reason the OP started this thread was to get this Remington debate going again. Notice he has not checked back in yet and his original post looks more like a promotional ad for Browning. He basically asked zero questions and never really stated a purpose for his post.
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There is no debate about Remington, Penny Pinching has ruined another Icon.
 
The Baron said:
I hate to say it, but the new Remington Express and Sportsman (and possibly others) are terrible and therein lies the problem. Older Remingtons, including the original 3" 11-87's were extremely reliable. As long as you had a spare o-ring handy there was little to keep them from grinding case after case of shells. But, sadly, somewhere just after the turn of the millennium Remington quality took a nose dive. I've seen two brand new 11-87 Sportsman break after less than a box of shells (one, a 20 gauge, jammed open after only the 2nd round) and the new 870's are rough, gritty, unreliable junk. I watched a poor helpless soul at the skeet club banging his new camo Remington 870 on the ground to pump it every 3rd or fourth time, while shooting a round of skeet with the guy he just sold his old Wingmaster to and it never skipped a beat after 20 years of heavy use. He said after 20 years with the same gun he decided to treat himself to a new camo one, and I actually felt bad for him. It takes a lot of de-engineering to make an 870 unreliable but Remington achieved it.

I expect Remington will butcher Marlin too, so hang on to your pre-2010 Marlins and expect their value to stay very solid or maybe even go up beyond that of a new one from Remington.

I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool lover of Remington and I mourn the death of Big Green.:( I hope Remington realizes their mistakes before it is too late.
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Well I hate to say it, but I haven't had good luck with Remingtons. The Sportsman I bought around 2007 doesn't work too well with target loads. No problems with magnum hunting loads, but it jams about once every box (25 shells) with 3 DRAM target loads. One day I saw an ad for a 3" magnum 11-87 Premier for a decent price. I checked it out and it had the fancy finish with nice blueing and engravings on the side. The bolt was slick, a lot better than my Sportsman's, so I figured I had a winner on hand. Luckily I got permission to test it with target loads before agreeing to buy. Well the cycling was worse than my Sportsman! It wouldn't fully cycle! :eek: Either the empty shell wouldn't eject or it wouldn't pick up the next round. The owner took it down and cleaned it good before we tried it again. Same thing.

Then there's the chamber burr on the new 18" 870 barrel I bought new in 2006, and another chamber burr in the 700 I bought in 2005. I can't say I'm too impressed with Remington quality of late.
 
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