Can someone explain Over & Under?

Any firearm a shooter does not have control of is unsafe! Off target, off trigger, no matter what the firearm action type.....
 
Any firearm a shooter does not have control of is unsafe! Off target, off trigger, no matter what the firearm action type.....
True.

But going off-balance and arse-over-teakettle with a pumpgun would have just been an amusing accident, since the gun couldn't fire two more times on accident.

Safety is all about control, but accidents happen, and at that point the inherent safety of the action is what decides if it ends as amusement or tragedy.
 
No 'inherent safety' of any firearms action, IMHO. Only 'inherent safety' (or lack of same) from the operator. No firearm ever caused an accident by itself.
 
No 'inherent safety' of any firearms action, IMHO. Only 'inherent safety' (or lack of same) from the operator. No firearm ever caused an accident by itself.
Round and round we go;

What if the operator slips in the middle of firing, as in the example I pointed out above? It is a rare accident, but it can happen to anybody. A firearm that can discharge with each trigger pull at that specific point in time is less safe than a firearm that can't discharged until the action is worked.
 
My final point; so read carefully. No firearm, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No vehicle, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No knife, baseball bat, tire iron, etc. is in and by itself 'safe' or 'unsafe'. OPERATORS are either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. If you are too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger when you are off target (and ESPECIALLY after cranking off a round due to an accidental discharge) you owe it to yourself and others to find a new sport.
 
My final point; so read carefully. No firearm, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No vehicle, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No knife, baseball bat, tire iron, etc. is in and by itself 'safe' or 'unsafe'. OPERATORS are either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. If you are too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger when you are off target (and ESPECIALLY after cranking off a round due to an accidental discharge) you owe it to yourself and others to find a new sport.

Truer words have never been spoken
 
My final point; so read carefully. No firearm, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No vehicle, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No knife, baseball bat, tire iron, etc. is in and by itself 'safe' or 'unsafe'. OPERATORS are either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. If you are too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger when you are off target (and ESPECIALLY after cranking off a round due to an accidental discharge) you owe it to yourself and others to find a new sport.

So you don't think a s500 benz is inherently safer then a neon?
 
My final point; so read carefully. No firearm, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No vehicle, in and by itself, is either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. No knife, baseball bat, tire iron, etc. is in and by itself 'safe' or 'unsafe'. OPERATORS are either 'safe' or 'unsafe'. If you are too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger when you are off target (and ESPECIALLY after cranking off a round due to an accidental discharge) you owe it to yourself and others to find a new sport.

Moving the goalposts a bit are we?

Never said semi were unsafe; just that compared to pumpguns they are less safe in a bad spot, as in the example above.
 
I bought a Baikal O/U made in the USSR for $550. I love this thing!!!!
It just feels right and pretty darn accurate too
 
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