I have a couple m1 garands and I love the way they feel and shoot however with the availbility of garand parts I have been tossing the idea of getting a norinco m14. I am just wondering how they compair with those of you who have both, I did do a search but nothing turned up.
M1 garand vs M14
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No comparison. They are apples and oranges.
Buy a Norinco, you'll love it. Keep all your Garands too.
Buy a Norinco, you'll love it. Keep all your Garands too.
I can give you four reasons why Garands rule over the M14 in Canada...3 more bangs and 1 sweet ping at the end!
From a collector's standpoint, Garands have the history behind them, not excluding the Danish models. Norinco M14s don't have the fit and finish of the Springfield, but they are a decent rifle nonetheless. I find that my buddy's Dane Garand is about as accurate as my Norinco M14, and it seems that pricewise, you could buy two Norincos for one Garand.
No easy answer on this one, I'm afraid...
No easy answer on this one, I'm afraid...
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If you want something else in your position I would be thinking Browning BAR in 30-06.
Common ammo and all....
.308 ammo is almost as expensive as 30-06, hardly any point in getting another gun that does pretty much the same job as the Garand
If you're going to have 2 different calibers you might as well go for something that shoots cheap. 7.62x39 or 5.56
Common ammo and all....
.308 ammo is almost as expensive as 30-06, hardly any point in getting another gun that does pretty much the same job as the Garand
If you're going to have 2 different calibers you might as well go for something that shoots cheap. 7.62x39 or 5.56
ipscgraz
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What parts are you looking for?
maple_leaf_eh
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Agreed, two different guns. The Garand is the top of the American military design "arc" of mass manufactured highly interchangeable parts. A lot of unseen engineering is behind the Garand. And there actually are lots of Garand parts in circulation. You just have to be resourceful looking. The opposite is true for the M14.
The M14 (USGI) tried to develop on the troubles the Americans had making Garands. The issue rifles were suitable for the NATO round, but just as intricate as the predecessor rifle. They weren't perfect coming out of the plant, as the ordnance records prove.
The NORINCO M14 rifles (truthfully M305) are easy to buy, easy to shoot and sort of easy to fix. Lower QA and QC as many CGN'ers are reporting. No parts supply and hit or miss warranties.
I have M1s and M305s. I have more 7.62 than 30-06, so one Garand is converted. I like the history of the M1; I prefer to shoot the M14.
The M14 (USGI) tried to develop on the troubles the Americans had making Garands. The issue rifles were suitable for the NATO round, but just as intricate as the predecessor rifle. They weren't perfect coming out of the plant, as the ordnance records prove.
The NORINCO M14 rifles (truthfully M305) are easy to buy, easy to shoot and sort of easy to fix. Lower QA and QC as many CGN'ers are reporting. No parts supply and hit or miss warranties.
I have M1s and M305s. I have more 7.62 than 30-06, so one Garand is converted. I like the history of the M1; I prefer to shoot the M14.
BattleRife
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I really don't agree. I have a 2007 Norinco M14 and 1943 Winchester M1, the actions are the same, The sights are the same, the stock feel is very similar, the calibres are ballistically the same. It is my understanding that Marstar keeps a good stock of parts for the M14s they have brought in. I think that if you are looking for a Garand-esque experience with better ammo choice, the Norinco would the be obvious path forward.
If you like shooting your Garands, for heaven sake keep them [or at least one]. My main problem with the Garand is that they are more expensive to feed than the M14 [bulk ball ammo is much more common in .308]. Otherwise I don't find a lot of difference.
RememberTheSomme
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Every Garand owner needs at least one M1A/M14 to see and shoot the supposedly "improved M-1", side by side with it's predecessor. A chinese copy would fit the bill rather nicely, and rather economically I might add.
**WARNING**
Exposure to the M-14 platform, may be hazardous to your bank account.
**WARNING**
Exposure to the M-14 platform, may be hazardous to your bank account.
300Spartans
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I've had both in the past, Garands and Norcs, and enjoyed them equally. The Garand had a special feel to it though, very much nostalgic. It was a piece of history, like an Enfield. The Norc was a cool battle rifle on the range and a powerful hunting rifle in the field. Americans love their Garands, and their eyes get all star-spangled and teary when you mention one. My wife's dad was in the American Navy during World War 2 and I still remember the look of surprise and warmth that came over his face when I showed him my first Garand.
Rocket Surgery
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You can't get 30-06 priced the same as the Norinco or Czech 308win cartridges. MFS does make a 30-06 but no one in Canada stocks it.
You can pick up an m305 for $429.00 and get ammo for around $.50 / round. This is opposed to paying $900 for a Garand and paying $1.00 / round for the cheapest stuff.
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**WARNING**
Exposure to the M-14 platform, may be hazardous to your bank account.
With a herd of M-1's and no M-14 yet...thanks for the warning!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, from a historical aspect both guns are steeped in history and development from two different eras. Unfortunately I sold my 1958 vintage M-14 years ago...wish I still had it, as it was the last of the true Springfield Armory firearms manufactured at the Massachusetts armory.
Travis Bickle
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I have fired both rifles, though I have fired the M14/M305 much more than the M1 Garand.
I like the M14 more. Everything I have decided is based on my personal experiences and opinions obviously.
It feels more reliable. The feeding system is much more reliable. The internal pieces when dissassembled are much simpler in the M14 (compared to the jigsaw puzzle of tiny pieces that make up the op rod and cartridge feeding system in the M1)
I find the M14 easier to control, shoulder and handle.
As cool and "iconic" as the enblocs are when they make that "ping" sound, they are a pain in the ass in my opinion when compared to the simplicity and reliability of a loaded magazine. Or speed feeding clips down into the mag with the action to the rear.
The only thing I think the Garand has going for it, under which the M14 lacks in my opinion, is the venerable full powered .30-06 cartridge and the aura of nostalgia surrounding it.
They are both awesome rifles but my hat is off to the M14.
I like the M14 more. Everything I have decided is based on my personal experiences and opinions obviously.
It feels more reliable. The feeding system is much more reliable. The internal pieces when dissassembled are much simpler in the M14 (compared to the jigsaw puzzle of tiny pieces that make up the op rod and cartridge feeding system in the M1)
I find the M14 easier to control, shoulder and handle.
As cool and "iconic" as the enblocs are when they make that "ping" sound, they are a pain in the ass in my opinion when compared to the simplicity and reliability of a loaded magazine. Or speed feeding clips down into the mag with the action to the rear.
The only thing I think the Garand has going for it, under which the M14 lacks in my opinion, is the venerable full powered .30-06 cartridge and the aura of nostalgia surrounding it.
They are both awesome rifles but my hat is off to the M14.
.30/06 FTW
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I agree with you on most points there (especially the feeding system in the M1) but for me I kind of like putting my supporting hand nearer to the magazine, so with 20 round M14 mags it is kind of annoying bumping into them (no problem with the 5 rounders, although they take a tiny bit longer to get out with my gloves on).
Overall, I have to say I like the M1 better simply because of the nostalgia factor, but if I had been a US infantryman back in the day I would have hoped for my unit to switch over to the M14 sooner rather than later.
Does also the shoulder bruising is less intense on the M305 than the Garand?
Recoil isn't bad for either one. Alittle more on the 30-06, but don't forget the Garand is also 10lb rifle. Even if you shoot off 200rds in one session either one would be ok. If your just wearing a tshirt you could slip on a rubber recoil pad and you'd be comfortable.
Recoil between 308 and 30-06 would be last thing that I would factor into your decision making for these fine rifles. Ammo availability would be more important if your a volume shooter. Don't forget you can also get a Garand in 308. Your historical interests might sway you either way. Both are reliable and well thought out. I find neither one better than the other, just different.
I have both. I like them both. Both have their own history to them. I will always have at least one of each, but at the moment have duplicates in both Garands and M14's. Wish I collected match books - probably more economical and easier to store.
I have one of each. I shoot the Norinco a lot more. No concerns about wear or breakage with it. If/or when it breaks or wears out replacements are readily available and not that expensive. The first year I shot my M1 at Blast Off I put 40rds through it in less than the allotted 2 minutes. Smoke was coming off the barrel and front handguard. I had time for one more clip but didn't "do it" to the old veteran. She's earned a better retirement then being heated up like that. She is still fired regularly but mostly by younger shooters who have never had the opportunity to fire this piece of history.
