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Spawn-Inc

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1. what are the consequences of shooting lead without any lube. just faster leading?

2. say i get a 357 revolver and shoot nothing but hot loads. what is going to wear out on it, the barrel? and if so what wears out the rifling?


thanks.
 
I have never tried shooting without lube but I would guess it would lead very quickly.

If you buy a quality gun you will probably wear out before the gun does.

Graydog
 
No lube = leading and lack of accuracy.

The burning powder will likely erode part of the front end of cylinder and the first part of the barrel. It will take a while. Not likely that you will wear the rest of the barrel out. You'll spend more on ammo/loading than the gun.
 
ah, makes sense.

seems that every time i read or see for sale ads people seem to be scared to shoot 357 on a regular basis. i so far tend to shoot 50-100 357's and 100-200 38's every other week.

currently costs me $10 per box of 50 for 357.
 
Spawn-Inc said:
ah, makes sense.

seems that every time i read or see for sale ads people seem to be scared to shoot 357 on a regular basis. i so far tend to shoot 50-100 357's and 100-200 38's every other week.

currently costs me $10 per box of 50 for 357.
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where are you getting the 357 box for 10 dollars would love to find out and get myself some too thanks
 
man said:
where are you getting the 357 box for 10 dollars would love to find out and get myself some too thanks
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handloaded with a lee pro 1000 9mm with 357 dies:)

had to dremel out the shell plate to fit the 38/357 shells.

that's with wolf bullets at $65 tax in for 500. and win 296 at $25 tax in for a lb. free brass. and CCI SPP for $34 tax in

15 grns for a 158 gr hard cast RNFB bullet.


burnt_servo said:
if a person was shooting nothing but hot loads , would not the frame start to stretch eventually , and very likely before te barrel was shot out ?
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thats what i wonder, is it going to just get crappy accuracy or blow up on me.
 
If you shoot it enough you will wear it out. If you drive your car far enough same deal. Most owners won't use it that much so its not a concern. If you ever feel it is worn you can have a smith do a check up.
 
It will depend on the revolver. A S&W 686 will outlast you. A light frame S&W will become loose with continued use of hot 357 loads.
What pistol are you using?
 
OP:

If you shoot lead without lube, but keep it below 1500fps, even around 1000fps then you shouldn't get too much leading. If all you're looking for is the hottest load you can shoot, then lead isn't for you.
 
joedude said:
OP:

If you shoot lead without lube, but keep it below 1500fps, even around 1000fps then you shouldn't get too much leading. If all you're looking for is the hottest load you can shoot, then lead isn't for you.
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Exactly what I was thinking... im not a pistol shooter but understand that lead rifle loads under 1900 fps dont cause any lead fowling.. correct me if im wrong on this.:cool:
 
You DO need to lube cast lead bullets for pistol/rifle cartridges regardless of velocity.

If you proceed otherwise please update us with your actual experience in 100 or more rounds.
 
I'm shooting with a 586-2.

I asked about the lead as I had some random bits of lead and enjoy playing with fire. So I melted it down and poured it into a spent casing of a 45acp. Cooled it with water then hammered them out.

Then weighed them and loaded them accordly with 231. I only shot 3 though.

Ranging from 140gr to 180gr.



And I asked about the hot loads as I shoot at least 50 per visit.
 
Spawn-Inc said:
I'm shooting with a 586-2.

I asked about the lead as I had some random bits of lead and enjoy playing with fire. So I melted it down and poured it into a spent casing of a 45acp. Cooled it with water then hammered them out.

Then weighed them and loaded them accordly with 231. I only shot 3 though.

Ranging from 140gr to 180gr.



And I asked about the hot loads as I shoot at least 50 per visit.
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Man this is a first for me. I have been at this shooting game for at least 40 years and I have never heard of anyone making a cast bullet like this. You have a lot more guts then I do.

Graydog
 
Spawn you could melt lead with your same method and get a decent mold for $20 and make you own lube or buy a bottle of Alox. You could cast some great bullets for you 586 pretty cheap.
 
graydog said:
Man this is a first for me. I have been at this shooting game for at least 40 years and I have never heard of anyone making a cast bullet like this. You have a lot more guts then I do.

Graydog
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I love to mess around with fairly crazy things. I made some 3" wooden bullets for the 9mm. Had to take apart the glock just to load it. Though I got wooden bullets banned from target sports :( sorry.


hk33ka1 said:
Spawn you could melt lead with your same method and get a decent mold for $20 and make you own lube or buy a bottle of Alox. You could cast some great bullets for you 586 pretty cheap.
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Yup. Picking up my 45 Cal mold tomorrow. Still have to wait for the 38 mold.



Glue gun bullets here I come!!!!
 
If you're using pure lead then you definitely need lube. If you're using a harder alloy you would get "less" leading with slower bullet speed, but you'll still get some. The only way to avoid it is to gas check, but if you are truly hand making your bullets then I suppose there won't be a gas check groove. Good on ya for pioneering like that. As always exercise caution.
 
joedude said:
If you're using pure lead then you definitely need lube. If you're using a harder alloy you would get "less" leading with slower bullet speed, but you'll still get some. The only way to avoid it is to gas check, but if you are truly hand making your bullets then I suppose there won't be a gas check groove. Good on ya for pioneering like that. As always exercise caution.
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It's a mix of plated and non plated 22s, 177pellets, 95/5 solder, jacketed bullets. Bit mush mash.


I will make some for 9mm and see how they fare in the 9mm and 38.
 
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