My very first gun and it's a lemon.

Wolfstrack said:
if it's German made SIG/H&K then you've paid for what you get....high quality and top craftmanshift !
overpriced is the Glock sold for civilians market.
try to find out how much cost a Glock sold in bulk for gov. contracts[/QUOTE

Almost every gun on the Canadian market is overpriced. Its not the gun itself but the fees to import etc. Doesn't matter which make or model. Yes, Glocks go to government agencies in bulk for cheap but guess what so do those HK's and SIG's. We, inculding youself, as civilians get the marked up bs that is retail pricing for our personal firearms. Bottom line is that Glocks have proven themselves to be hugely reliable tools. Every gun has a break in period as stated. Shoot it and if all is well then the little problems will be ironed out. If problems persist then send it back. Done and done!!
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Gen 4 noted issues include RSA, extractor and ejector. Possibly slide but that seems more of a "1 in a ####" type problem. I have an early Gen 4 that I chose to get a new RSA for. Haven't changed anything else. Never had any issues in 2000+ rounds with how it came from the factory minus the few FTF's in the first 300 shots aka break in period!!
 
misanthropist said:
That is not correct; there were issues particularly with MIM extractors, and also with ejectors with the wrong geometry.

There is also a possible issue with the slide geometry on Gen 4s, although that's unclear as far as whether it's an issue in and of itself.
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Well hickok45 has no probs with his and hes been shooting them for years. If i have any probs with my new G22, i will post them for sure. However, i dont expect any.
 
If it's a Glock, then it's not a lemon.

There are two potential problems here:

1) The shooter. As you say this is your first gun, you probably just need to work on your technique. It will come in your first thousand rounds or so.

2) The ammunition

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It's either got aftermarket parts, like a lighter aftermarket firing pin (striker) spring, or bad ammunition.
 
What happen to the TROLL, meant OP, started a flame, then pissed off.


Pretty sure they're talking about Gen 4 which has been out a little more than a year so "life's good" couldn't have been shooting Gen 4 for yrs. Gen 3 yes, not 4s.
GunGuy34 said:
Well hickok45 has no probs with his and hes been shooting them for years. If i have any probs with my new G22, i will post them for sure. However, i dont expect any.
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My thoughts are this...Glocks (and don't think Im biased based on the name) possess all of the reliability and functionality of pistols 2-3 times the price. They are simple, straight to the point and are not flashy.....they are tools and are built to work hard!!! There is definately something to be said for a SS elite 226 or a MK23/HK45. They are beautiful guns!!! Glocks are not and weren't designed to be. The point is that they embody all of the essentials while forgoing the flashy......bottom line is they perform-always!! Anyone who calls them cheap or block plastic is IMO ignorant!!
 
TACTICAL111 said:
What Gen is it.

Explain the misfires.
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It's a brand new gun Gen 4 Glock 17. I cleaned the gun before my first outing using Ballistol but I didn't lube it because there was still brand new copper colored grease on the slide. I went out to the range the second time very shortly after my first outing and didn't clean it (like I said I put 180 rounds through the first time). 3 times, on the second time out, I would get a click and nothing...I then tapped and wracked and a live round would eject. I plugged these rounds back in later and used them (though it may be bad ammo because it's the cheapest American Eagle 147 gr FMJ flatnose). I'm using it as practice for Winchester Ranger SXT 147 gr JHP.
 
Little known fact is that ammo, even for high end training purposes that some places pay a premium for, are supposed to have a 3 to 5% failure rate.

To get that rate up to 97-99%, the manufacturers charge a pretty hefty premium.

Add to this a new gun, a new shooter. I think your 3-4 misfires are pretty normal.

Keep loading those magazines and have fun, if this keeps happening, check with someone who has experience in shooting to make sure you are handling it properly before blaming the gun.
 
sone said:
If it's a Glock, then it's not a lemon.

There are two potential problems here:

1) The shooter. As you say this is your first gun, you probably just need to work on your technique. It will come in your first thousand rounds or so.

2) The ammunition

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There is an interesting article on pistol-training.com by Todd Louis Green on this very subject:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/82

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a shooter, instructor, or firearms “expert” blame a malfunction on limp wristing. Please, just stop.

Limp wristing is the gun industry’s version of gremlins. Gremlins, if you don’t know, were first “discovered” by pilots in the 1920′s. They are mischievous little mythical creatures. Every time an aircraft developed an unexplainable problem, it was blamed on a gremlin. If a plane crashed and no one knew why … a gremlin brought it down.

Well today, every time a pistol experiences a stoppage or malfunction that can’t be attributed to the ammo, certain gun companies immediately blame the shooter by saying he was “limp wristing.” It’s a catch-all that means absolutely nothing. It just pushes blame onto the shooter rather than admitting that guns sometimes malfunction.

A gun needs to work, and it needs to work particularly well when a shooter is under stress. So if there is a gun that requires a perfect grip, a gun that will only work if the shooter’s wrists are locked just right every single shot, then that is a bad gun design! Expecting a shooter to be perfect under stress is ridiculous. A gun design that requires perfect technique under stress is just as ridiculous.

We know that we won’t be perfect under stress. Our gear needs to keep working.

So the next time you or a student experiences a stoppage, don’t immediately blame the shooter. Guns malfunction. It happens. I’ve carried some of the most famously reliable guns, and they’ve had stoppages, malfunctions, parts breakages. It happens. Accept it, learn to clear the problem when it comes up, and drive on. But stop blaming gremlins.

Because either the pistol stopped working on its own, or it’s so finicky that you can’t rely on it when you’re under stress … Either way, the gun is at fault, not the shooter.
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My take on the article:

The glock doesn't require a "perfect grip" or precise angle. Just give it some firm support. I suspect most people in a real defensive situation go primal and into a death grip anyways. And I'm sorry, but if you consider yourself competent enough to carry for defense (academic in Canada), train up and hold your gun correctly, or get a revolver if you can't manage that. Poor grip is a software issue.

It's no different from short stroking a pump gun, or riding the slide into battery on any semi handgun. If you aren't going to do your part, why should you expect the gun to?

...besides, maybe it's actually a feature to confound the sideways/one handed driveby shooters.

ganymede said:
There is an interesting article on pistol-training.com by Todd Louis Green on this very subject:
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I dont thjnk it was the ammo the ae9fp i use it in my xd9 and never once have hade a misfire or squib load, with the glocks as so many people pointed out you probaly ''limp wristed'' and antisipated the recoil . which is a big fail in target shooting , im am not a fan of glocks but they r good guns aslong as you know how to shoot
 
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