what to bring reloading stuff from state side
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All I know is what I have been told....... But one of the guys I know has been crossing the line for over 30y with guns and ammo. The last 10(ish)y he has been spending 3-5 months (in winter) in the states..... According to him its all legal and above board. He is filling out paperwork, you would think they would mention that he can't export wehn he tells them he is going to.......
SO SORRY oh wise one,, Don't piss all over me for asking a question,
If i didn't ask it in the right way ,,,or up to your standards ,, AGAIN SO SORRY but maybe just maybe that's why i am asking the Question in the 1st place
Thanks for your understanding in this (for you ) touchy area
There is lots of great people on here that are always up for helping those of us that don't know every thing, to you people THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND INFO,, It really Really helps us a lot Thanks Again
To the rest if you don't like the question GO FIND ANOTHER ONE
You don't have to answer it rudely, not every one knows every thing
Sorry just looking to get some 20 gr tips from the states into Canada not a loaded bullet just the tip
The RCMP webpage says you can bring back 5000 rounds back from the US with no import papers. Plus a ton of other stuff. I am going to go to Oregon for a few days the end of March and will try picking up some CCI Mini mags. Check it out.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5044-eng.html#P012
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5044-eng.html#P012
Its not the importing, its the exporting. Its a US law, not Canadian. You need a US export permit to take it out of their country.
Not worth risking it without permits. Up to 10 years in prison and/or $25000 fine. The US tends to over-react, so keep that in mind.
Go to US State Dept. wesite Directorate of Defense Trade Controls, get and fill out from DSP-9 with all required documentation.
Send in Fee, transmittal letter, application, You have to be registered with the US State Dept before they receive your paperwork.
He can't sign for you if he is a non US Gov. approved ITAR. You will need a Canadian signature.
1 year fee is $250
Or get setup with a Gov. sponsored volunteer to explain it. Then do it or use the legal lawyer they refer you to to do it.
The issue isn't import permits, or Canadian law for that matter.The issue is that the USA requires that you have an export permit to export ammunition or components from the USA. Without the proper documents, a Canadian can't even legally be in possession of these items in the USA.
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Thanks so much for that post
Great info there
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I wouldn't do it, laws are so screwed, These guys are probably right. A typical catch 22 rule. If you could buy it you could do it, but you cant buy it so you can't do it. I'm not going to risk it.
So what does it mean when I have a U.S. friend in the states at his house with my "bullet tips" now today,,,,,,,and want him to bring them with him to me here when he comes back for the summer months to his summer place???
It means that if he does not have an export permit for those "bullets" when he crosses the US border, he is guilty of violating a USA federal law.
The only "bullet tips" that can be legally exported without an export permit, would be the tips from hollow point bullets, as they are nothing but air, just like donut holes.
It means that if he does not have an export permit for those "bullets" when he crosses the US border, he is guilty of violating a USA federal law.
The only "bullet tips" that can be legally exported without an export permit, would be the tips from hollow point bullets, as they are nothing but air, just like donut holes.
I have just done enough research from RCMP and ATF and yup, these guys are right. You cannot bring back ####. Whether Canadian, or American without proper permits. It's not the Canadians that your friend needs to worry about but the Americans. I don't think it's worth it. One of those things where the intention and action are harmless but the cost of getting caught is steep. If you do get your buddy to do this for you I would give him full disclosure. In that if he is caught he is in serious a$$ rape trouble.
You are completely missing the point here. Tiriaq is helping you, and hoping you understand that having your buddy do this would make him commit a felony in the USA.
Who is posting rudely more often than yourself in this thread?
It has nothing to do with Canadian law, Shruby. It is illegal under US law to export any part of a firearm or ammunition. Even a two cent screw that is part of a rifle, cannot be sent through the mail or carried across the border legally.
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At this point after 4 pages your terminology is still wrong due to likely laziness to research so it is best to not waste anymore of the friendly folks advice from this great site.
Asking questions after you did your research is good. Too lazy to bother to know what a cartridge and it's components are is NOT acceptable. US will NOT be friendly nor accommodating when you screw up the paperwork. Nothing firearm related is a casual matter nor simple. From your posts thus far you don't have the right stuff to go through export paperwork. Buy from a CAN. store, save yourself or your friend a trip to jail.
Asking questions after you did your research is good. Too lazy to bother to know what a cartridge and it's components are is NOT acceptable. US will NOT be friendly nor accommodating when you screw up the paperwork. Nothing firearm related is a casual matter nor simple. From your posts thus far you don't have the right stuff to go through export paperwork. Buy from a CAN. store, save yourself or your friend a trip to jail.
Wow that really kind of sucks the big one
Can some one please tell me why a box of bullet tips and or empty brass would be a problem
With no powder and no primer its really just scrap metal
What the hell is the world coming to
what about having my buddy throw it in the mail to me???
thanks again
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As far as this discussion is concerned:
Import: into Canada.
Export: out of the US
Cdn. import law does not equal US export law. Different critters.
Export from the US of firearms, parts, ammunition, components may be done legally by a licenced exporter. A licenced exporter may apply to the US Department of State for an export permit for specific shipments of controlled items.
The US made components sold by Cdn. businesses were exported from the US by licenced US exporters.
There is a provision for US citizens resident in the US to export ammunition (bring it with them) for personal use outside the US. Exporting for someone else is not export for personal use, and would be an offence. Of course, buddy could always lie to US authorities if questionned.
Import: into Canada.
Export: out of the US
Cdn. import law does not equal US export law. Different critters.
Export from the US of firearms, parts, ammunition, components may be done legally by a licenced exporter. A licenced exporter may apply to the US Department of State for an export permit for specific shipments of controlled items.
The US made components sold by Cdn. businesses were exported from the US by licenced US exporters.
There is a provision for US citizens resident in the US to export ammunition (bring it with them) for personal use outside the US. Exporting for someone else is not export for personal use, and would be an offence. Of course, buddy could always lie to US authorities if questionned.
The US Exporter annual registration fee is $2,750 and you must be a US Person to hold one. The fee you mention is for an individual export for your items, which is separate from the annual registration fee.
http://www.unzco.com/industrynews/export/ITARReg.pdf
Things for which the US requires an export permit
http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf
A common theme is trying to find loopholes in what seems to be overly stringent laws. Well, there are no loopholes. And the penalties are way out of proportion to what is being exported.
The penalty for exporting 1 empty used brass casing, is exactly the same as exporting full auto firearms. Overkill? Yes. But the law wasn't written for reloading components, it was written for "bigger" military hardware, and reloading components were thrown in too.
Simple answer is, no ammo or components (bullets, brass, primer, powder) without a US State Department Export Permit.
