Kalashnikov 5: Brand-New AK-12 Rifle Unveiled

[Dexter Morgan]

anyone read cryllic russian?
In the 3rd still photo, there is what looks like ab and np. Whats means?

ab=av
Пp=pr

 

[fhg1893]

It might be declared a prohib, but I predict that the RCMP won't wait for an OIC. They'll just pull a T97 on it.

 

[sly mantis]

Even though its mechanically different, if it bears the AK name im sure they're going to consider it a variant.

 

[25mm]

Looks very heavy duty, would like to see more stress tests on it.

 

[870P]

Want.

The chances of us getting a semi auto derivative though...pssh!

 

[RMXC51]

PPsH?

 

[UncleMax]

I'd love to have a semi-auto, civvy version of this new rifle.

I can dream.

 

[5440fight]

Come on folks: Cz-858/Vz58 superior gun, cheaper, plentifull, non-resticted, czech practicallity without compromise. We'll be fine.

 

[Fenix.NZ]

god the construction of that thing looks shoddy

 

[Shadow_nt1]

I thought they were going to the AM-94?

 

[Danimal247]

I think it's quite ugly

 

[870P]

Come on folks: Cz-858/Vz58 superior gun, cheaper, plentifull, non-resticted, czech practicallity without compromise. We'll be fine.

The only real advantage the VZ58 has over a good late model AK is weight, the Czechs might have created a noticably superior rifle to the original AK-47 but the Vz58 never received significant further improvements like the AK did.

 

[redrab]

I want one. It looks awesome to moi. But, we'll never be able to get it here!!

 

[saskcop]

Yep I want one, but I think that we all know that it ain't going to happen anytime soon in this country.

 

[saskcop]

The only real advantage the VZ58 has over a good late model AK is weight, the Czechs might have created a noticably superior rifle to the original AK-47 but the Vz58 never received significant further improvements like the AK did.

Good point, but at the same time, the VZ 58 did not require further "improvements" as it had the proper design to begin with. I think the VZ 58 is still a better design even today with the improved AK74's out there.

Don't get me wrong, I would still buy an AK if they were allowed back in this country.

 

[Jet A-1]

Yummy

 

[5440fight]

Good point, but at the same time, the VZ 58 did not require further "improvements" as it had the proper design to begin with. I think the VZ 58 is still a better design even today with the improved AK74's out there.

Don't get me wrong, I would still buy an AK if they were allowed back in this country.

Exactly. Plus the vz series has seen huge improvements in the add-on dept. such as sights, rails, optic mounts etc... icing on the cake for a brilliant design. Despite all my other toys, a Lee enfield, cz rifle, and a glock are my go to/never rid myself of pieces. Frankly, the AK just looks and feels cheap to me. Stinky, stumpy, and stamped is how a yank I know describes them.

On top off everything, the bolt hold open on last round, and ability to stripper clip feed is not optional to me now, I'm spoiled.

 

[dweenz]

me want forbidden firearms all of them ALL OF THEM.

also they said it can use a variety of magazines... maybe a cz crossover situation?

 

[5440fight]

me want forbidden firearms all of them ALL OF THEM.

also they said it can use a variety of magazines... maybe a cz crossover situation?

I don't know, the magazine can be the weak point on a lot of guns, just give me a design that works %100, and I'll stick with that, more than likely.

 

[870P]

Good point, but at the same time, the VZ 58 did not require further "improvements" as it had the proper design to begin with. I think the VZ 58 is still a better design even today with the improved AK74's out there.

Don't get me wrong, I would still buy an AK if they were allowed back in this country.

The AK is more reliable and durable, in particular lacking the VZ58's relatively fragile striker and piston return spring, also AK's magazines will put up with a lot more abuse than the '58 aluminums.

Market-wise the AK has everything from quad stack mags to better triggers to full custom re-work going for it.

Caliber-wise, well you don't see too many 5.45, 7.62x51, or 6.5 Grendel Vz58s, nor ones in .410, 20 and 12 gauge for that matter.

I'm not trying to put the VZ58 down but I see it as equivalent at best.