Will AR's Ever Be Non-Restricted?

The problem is not the hunters or the politicians but the shooters who are too lazy to pay 35$ and join the NFA (or the CSSA)!
Do you know how many Americans are NRA members? 4.3 millions
Once the NFA (or the CSSA) reaches the 100,000 members, nobody will mess with us.

"Yes, we must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
- Benjamin Franklin

Alex
 
The RCMP says it's Restricted, so it is. Can't see anyone/group/lobby doing anything about it. Same as the AK47, it's Prohib because the RCMP says it is. Welcome to Canada.

You can get a Robinson XCR .223, Non-Restricted. AR-15 and variants are Restricted. Go figure.

http://frontierfirearms.ca/index.ph...n-arms-xcr-223-non-restricted-desert-tan.html

It's not going to change. Whether 1 million join the CSSA, it still won't. Less paperwork for Restricted and ATT's would be nice, but that's a lightning strike as well. Don't want to be pessimistic, but this is the way I see it.
 
We'd win 80% of the fight with 20% the effort if we fought to allow restricteds to be SHOT anywhere and get rid of ATT's than to try and de-restrict one gun.
 
supernova said:
If you ask me, there shouldnt be a single rifle or shotgun in the restricted class. With the exception of guns short enough to fit in the handgun class, there is no logical reason for it. I can understand trying to control the number of handguns carried by criminals but the rest of it is blatant disrespect towards the law abiding gun owners, who happen to make up the majority of gun owners. Lets get the LGR six feet under and once again collectively establish and fight for a common goal.
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Thats bang on in my books
 
st1264 said:
The RCMP says it's Restricted, so it is. Can't see anyone/group/lobby doing anything about it. Same as the AK47, it's Prohib because the RCMP says it is.
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WRONG, the LAW says it is restricted not the RCMP.

st1264 said:
It's not going to change. Whether 1 million join the CSSA, it still won't. Less paperwork for Restricted and ATT's would be nice, but that's a lightning strike as well. Don't want to be pessimistic, but this is the way I see it.
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Yeah well, with attitude like this no wonder.

FYI: AR15's used to be restricted, and then went back to non restricted, and now to restricted.
 
clickclickboom said:
I don't think the Canadian public is ready for un-restricting "bad scary guns".
It seems to me changing the RULES for restricted guns would be much more effective.
So even if we were to get rid of ATTs and allow restricted guns to be discharged anywhere a non-restricted could, you could still argue"they're still restricted".
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Very valid point. A little easier for the "public" to digest
 
Suputin said:
There should be no restricted or other classifications. A gun is a gun. If the LGR didn't keep rifles out of the hands of criminals then why would anyone think the registration of handguns would be any different?
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Some people get it, like suputin, sad part is we are a very small minority of shooters in Canada here on CGN and not even half of us get it either.
 
If the long gun registry ever gets canned, it could possibly pave the way for certain restricted firearms to be under scrutiny for reclassification. It sounds like dreamin', but so does no long arm registry. If that becomes reality, I could believe in the possibility that things would continue to sway in the way of reason.

At least, for as long as this gov't sits atop parliment.
 
P90Puma said:
WRONG, the LAW says it is restricted not the RCMP.
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Who classifies the firearms? RCMP, according to federal firearm laws. Will the politicians change restricted firearms rules, under public pressure (there is too large a group against these, those who want to ban handguns/restricteds), it won't happen.

The vast majority of Canadians are for gun control. 90% of my co-workers can't believe I have handguns, they thought they were prohibited. Maybe this thread should be about full-auto's. We can dream.
 
Barrel length doesn't make a firearm restricted. If its a factory barrel and not a "modified at home" The whole less than 18" is a US law I believe.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Regardless of barrel length, the AR15 and variants are Restricted. There is a Bushmaster 20" AR15, it's restricted.

Firearms Prescribed as Restricted

This list of restricted firearms specified in the December 1, 1998 Criminal Code regulations includes all firearms that have been restricted by a former Order in Council.

The firearms of the designs commonly known as the High Standard Model 10, Series A shotgun and the High Standard Model 10, Series B shotgun, and any variants or modified versions of them.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the M-16 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
Colt AR-15;
Colt AR-15 SPI;
Colt AR-15 Sporter;
Colt AR-15 Collapsible Stock Model;
Colt AR-15 A2;
Colt AR-15 A2 Carbine;
Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Rifle;
Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Target Rifle;
Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Carbine;
Colt AR-15 A2 Sporter II;
Colt AR-15 A2 H-BAR;
Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR;
Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR Match;
Colt AR-15 9mm Carbine;
Armalite AR-15;
AAI M15;
AP74;
EAC J-15;
PWA Commando;
SGW XM15A;
SGW CAR-AR;
SWD AR-15; and,
Any 22 calibre rimfire variant, including the:
Mitchell M-16A-1/22,
Mitchell M-16/22,
Mitchell CAR-15/22, and
AP74 Auto Rifle.
 
Llywelyn said:
Barrel length doesn't make a firearm restricted. If its a factory barrel and not a "modified at home" The whole less than 18" is a US law I believe.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Any semi-automatic rifle with a barrel length of less than 18.5 inches is restricted by Canadian Law. As such, if the AR15 was removed from the named restricted list each individual AR would be classified as per the barrel length.

Not much would change for the majority of AR15 owners if it were removed as a named restricted, because unless you own a 20 inch AR15 your still gonna have a restricted, registered gun.

Of course if they did come off the restricted list, I would assume a market would open up for 18.5 inch Canadian barrels, much like the non-restricted XCR made for the Canadian market.
 
Llywelyn said:
Barrel length doesn't make a firearm restricted. If its a factory barrel and not a "modified at home" The whole less than 18" is a US law I believe.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are wrong. Any semi-auto rifle with a factory barrel less than 18.5" is restricted.

Back before the AR was listed as a restricted rifle, there were very few short barreled ARs because nobody wanted a restricted AR. When the lieberals changed the laws, an unintended consequence was that suddenly there was no barrier to owing shorty ARs and so that market exploded.

Today, if the AR were to be reclassed, there would be thousands of nearly worthless short AR barrels and uppers out there as people tried to dump them to render their ARs non-restricted.
 
fenceline said:
Of course given the current rules even if it was non-restricted, all of mine would still be restricted as the barrels are all shorter than 18.5 inches.
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Ya, but if you wanted to get a non-restricted AR you could buy one with a 20" barrel. As it applies for any rifle/longarm... so should it apply with ARs, in a logical world.
 
Demon971 said:
Ya, but if you wanted to get a non-restricted AR you could buy one with a 20" barrel. As it applies for any rifle/longarm... so should it apply with ARs, in a logical world.
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True, and like buying a Remington 870 receiver it would only become restricted once you attached a barrel (upper) that was less than 18.5 inches. Would make it even easier to buy a AR15 once the LGR is gone. (Yes I know 870 aren't regulated by barrel length, rather by OAL, the point is the receiver on a barrel-less 870 is not restricted on it's own).
 
Suputin said:
Today, if the AR were to be reclassed, there would be thousands of nearly worthless short AR barrels and uppers out there as people tried to dump them to render their ARs non-restricted.
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Disagree, notice all the people buying 14" Benelli m4's and pistol XCR's.

Less popular yes, worthless no way.
 
P90Puma said:
Disagree, notice all the people buying 14" Benelli m4's and pistol XCR's.

Less popular yes, worthless no way.
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Some people only shoot at recognized ranges. For me it really makes little difference if the gun is restricted or non-restricted. I don't hunt (yet) and haven't gotten into searching for crown land to shoot on. As it sits for me right now a gun is a gun...

Now in a month or so when I have to ask permission to own only half the guns I want, that may result in a different opinion :D
 
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