HELP Status Indian from SK now in ON

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Hi all,

I can't find the answers or links or sources of information on the following:

I am a status Indian from SK who has hunted all my life for food as well as ceremonial purposes. I have been posted to Kingston with the army and don't know any of the rules regarding this matter. In SK I ca essentially hunt whenever, wherever and I have never even had to think of these things until now. My question is:

As a status Indian residing in Ontario, when/where am I allowed to hunt?

Am I to assume that nothing is different than SK or are there different rules?

Someone help me out please! Thanks for reading!
 
First, be prepared for the redneck flaming you are about to receive.

Second, Native hunting in Ontario is only allowed on treaty lands, by the band that is involved in that treaty. Its not a "Hunt wherever, whenever" scenario.

You are still able to hunt treaty lands, with the permission of the band who has the rights to that land.

All this is explained on page 14 of the regs. Ontario is complicated, I suggest you read them several times.

Same thing goes for fishing.

Good news is, that being a CF member, you do not have to wait 6 months to be eligible for a resident hunting/fishing license.
 
My understanding of it from friends who are status is that they are only allowed to hunt on their treaty lands. If they are not hunting on their treaty, they have to be licences and observe the same rules and seasons as the rest of the general hunting public. For example, I have some friends in Treaty 3 (north west Ontario), when they come down here they have to buy a deer tag when they are going to hunt deer.
 
mvarley84 said:
First, be prepared for the redneck flaming you are about to receive.

Second, Native hunting in Ontario is only allowed on treaty lands, by the band that is involved in that treaty. Its not a "Hunt wherever, whenever" scenario.

You are still able to hunt treaty lands, with the permission of the band who has the rights to that land.

All this is explained on page 14 of the regs. Ontario is complicated, I suggest you read them several times.

Same thing goes for fishing.

Good news is, that being a CF member, you do not have to wait 6 months to be eligible for a resident hunting/fishing license.
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page 14 of which regs? Can I get a link?

Being a CF member and not waiting to be eligible for a license means I am following the rules of all of the non-native people, which I am totally cool with when my treaty rights aren't applicable, but wouldn't matter if I was granted permission by a band in Ontario to use their lands for hunting, right?
 
theoscarpaco said:
page 14 of which regs? Can I get a link?

Being a CF member and not waiting to be eligible for a license means I am following the rules of all of the non-native people, which I am totally cool with when my treaty rights aren't applicable, but wouldn't matter if I was granted permission by a band in Ontario to use their lands for hunting, right?
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ht tp://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/FW/Publication/MNR_E001275P.html

Go to the bottom of the page, click on download all sections listed above, as one file.

Scroll to page 14.

Google is your friend.
 
Here's the valid info;

The second exception is members of Aboriginal communities
with Aboriginal or treaty hunting rights in Ontario. These
hunters are not required to be in possession of an Outdoors
Card provided they are hunting for food, social or ceremonial
purposes within their traditional or treaty area or they are
visiting the traditional area of another First Nation and have
received proper written permission to hunt from that
First Nation.
All other Ontario residents, including Aboriginal persons,
either hunting outside of areas where they have Aboriginal
or treaty hunting rights OR hunting in areas for which they
have not received proper written permission to hunt, must
have a hunting version Ontario Outdoors Card.

Keep in mind that some First Nations have their own game regulations that must be adhered to. And again, I highly recommend you read the regulations.
 
Ontario seems to be way complicated and I pray that Saskatchewan never gets that way! I look forward to going home when my term of service is completed and living out my days hunting and fishing to feed my family as I always have according to my traditional values. I will continue to enjoy Ontario's natural beauty and abundance while I am here, regardless of whether I do it my way or your way. Paying for a hunting license won't bother me! I was only wondering, for those of you who will be all up on my back about it.
 
Tansi, go ask the local conservation officer (fish and wildlife) in the kingston area or contact someone at FSIN who get you in touch with another FN person in ont about hunting
 
Hate to say it, but this just gets my goat.
You have had the opportunity to hunt free as is your traditional right
on your home turf.
You swap provinces and wish to continue with this?
How about tossing some $$ into the kitty of conservation like the rest
of us?
 
kamlooky said:
Hate to say it, but this just gets my goat.
You have had the opportunity to hunt free as is your traditional right
on your home turf.
You swap provinces and wish to continue with this?
How about tossing some $$ into the kitty of conservation like the rest
of us?
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Yes! I was waiting for this.

The Cree were nomadic. We only have "home turf" because we were given boundaries by colonial occupiers.

If there was an army base in Saskatchewan I would have gladly been posted there. I am only in Ontario because I signed up to serve the country and this is where they put me. I am not claiming rights to the land or resources here, only wondering what my limitations are, and my question has been answered as I've been given permission to hunt here.

If you think I'm going to go out and take all of the animals I can get my hands on you've got the wrong idea. If I am accustomed to feeding my family from the abundance of mother nature in my home province and then the federal government moves me to another TEMPORARILY I don't think I should have to radically alter my lifestyle.
 
theoscarpaco said:
Yes! I was waiting for this.

The Cree were nomadic. We only have "home turf" because we were given boundaries by colonial occupiers.

If there was an army base in Saskatchewan I would have gladly been posted there. I am only in Ontario because I signed up to serve the country and this is where they put me. I am not claiming rights to the land or resources here, only wondering what my limitations are, and my question has been answered as I've been given permission to hunt here.

If you think I'm going to go out and take all of the animals I can get my hands on you've got the wrong idea. If I am accustomed to feeding my family from the abundance of mother nature in my home province and then the federal government moves me to another TEMPORARILY I don't think I should have to radically alter my lifestyle.
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I signed up to serve the country also.... I was in the forces... I didn't expect a hunting free for all everywhere I went and I looked at it as an opportunity to hunt in a few different provinces with a non resident license... be greatful they now accept you as a resident and be happy with that.... our game laws are in place to protect animals not stupuid rights that fly in the face of that...

Incidentally, every working canadian signs up to serve their country when they sign the bottom of their tax return every year....
 
Superbrad said:
I signed up to serve the country also.... I was in the forces... I didn't expect a hunting free for all everywhere I went and I looked at it as an opportunity to hunt in a few different provinces with a non resident license... be greatful they now accept you as a resident and be happy with that.... our game laws are in place to protect animals not stupuid rights that fly in the face of that...

Incidentally, every working canadian signs up to serve their country when they sign the bottom of their tax return every year....
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You obviously haven't read my original post. I am more than willing to hunting with a non resident license. I will be doing so this year.

My treaty rights don't fly in the face of your game laws. You sir, are the stupuid one if you think that what I do is harming the population of the animals I hunt for food. You know, Indians were pretty particular about conservation. It wasn't us who killed off all the buffalo.
 
theoscarpaco said:
Yes! I was waiting for this.

The Cree were nomadic. We only have "home turf" because we were given boundaries by colonial occupiers.

If there was an army base in Saskatchewan I would have gladly been posted there. I am only in Ontario because I signed up to serve the country and this is where they put me. I am not claiming rights to the land or resources here, only wondering what my limitations are, and my question has been answered as I've been given permission to hunt here.

If you think I'm going to go out and take all of the animals I can get my hands on you've got the wrong idea. If I am accustomed to feeding my family from the abundance of mother nature in my home province and then the federal government moves me to another TEMPORARILY I don't think I should have to radically alter my lifestyle.
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On behalf of your "colonial occupiers" I apoligize for all the wrongs that have been done to "your" people.

Now go buy a licence and tags and hunt like every other Canadian citizen.
 
theoscarpaco said:
You obviously haven't read my original post. I am more than willing to hunting with a non resident license. I will be doing so this year.

My treaty rights don't fly in the face of your game laws. You sir, are the stupuid one if you think that what I do is harming the population of the animals I hunt for food. You know, Indians were pretty particular about conservation. It wasn't us who killed off all the buffalo.
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1- Your treaty rights only apply on your treaty lands.... coming here thinking you have logical reasons to be able to hunt in any way different than the non aboriginal residents of this province does indeed fly in the face of our gam laws...

2- I have never shot a buffalo.... it is very unfortunate that mankind in general did not have a grasp on conservation back when the buffalo was killed off... not sure how that applies today though....

3- Stupid is not questioning someone's desire to harvest game outside our rules.... in fact, I would contest that stupid is someone who is unable to go online and find the Ontario hunting regulations which pop up with even the most basic of google searches. Then again I guess it's easier for you to have us do the work for you.....
 
theoscarpaco said:
If you think I'm going to go out and take all of the animals I can get my hands on you've got the wrong idea. If I am accustomed to feeding my family from the abundance of mother nature in my home province and then the federal government moves me to another TEMPORARILY I don't think I should have to radically alter my lifestyle.
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This reminds me of the salmon dipping in this province.
Own consumption, but how many thousands and thousands of salmon
have been sold for your own consumption?
And if you don't wish to radically change your life style.......
Smell like a whole bunch of in my face going on here.
 
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