Why are ARs restriceted?
- Thread starter Mermaniel
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OOO! I heard this one in a gun store a few weeks ago, a young man asked the older gentleman behind the counter the same question, he then explained that it was soooooo easy to convert it to f/a that it can't possibly have any use without the proper license and at an approved range.
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- The 'Canadian Supplier of military C1's' ???? The last FN C1 was made in 1968. Canadian Arsenals Limited (C.A.L.) was closed a few years after. There were no civilian sales of the C1 after that - if ever at all, until the OPP's 200 8L series (1968) FN-C1s ended up on the market in the mid 1980s.
- The Dietrich Machine Company (Diemaco) was building C7s and C8s by 1995, and had been since 1985 or so.
dangertree
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Quoted for truth.
Absolutely it was.
Natives in OKA with non-restricted AKs chasing out the police and standing up to the CF tweaked the politicians of the day FAR more than UdM Lepine Shooting.
Get that bad idea out of your head, there is no logic behind that. I can conceal my car keys real easy, and I'm sure there is a way to kill somebody with them, maybe we should require nobody carry around keys around wherever they want? Focus on the individual, not the means. You will want your concealable weapon the second some low life pulls his on you.
Their is no logic behind it, you are seeing the smoke an mirrors that they wanted you too see. Is someone is going to commit a crime with their firearm are they going to get an ATT? is Criminal gonna care if he has a little peice of paper allowing him/her to take their gun to a range? Is John doe gonna call up the CFC and ask for an ATT to Doe Johns house so he can take him out? Do ATT's let police know know who is carrying a gun at ALL times?
Its easy to see the false logic if its sold well enough. Its seeing the true logic thats hard. The fact is, all ATT's do is restrict those who will allow themselves to be restricted according to law, these people are law abiding gun owners. ATT's do nothing to stop would be or current criminals.
.30/06 FTW
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And yet I know of natives around Thunder Bay that still have full auto AKs that they never registered (Ironically, my friend's uncle has the AK, and his dad is a cop). Gun control failure at its finest.
There's a lot of people who still have full auto something or other that they never registered, or subcomact something or other that they never registered.
The gun control scheme disarmed us, not them. Although, that statement is somewhat harsh. I am of the opinion that as long as said people don't hurt anyone with these objects the Liberals in 1995 didn't like, they're not doing anything wrong.
If only politicians thought like me.
All i know is i feel alot better walking down the street knowing that nobody is packing a concealed firearm, guess i just dont trust strangers. another thing to think about is if concealable firearms were easy to purchase, most likely there would be more criminal transaction of these weapons, its easy to file off the serial number and report a weapon stolen
sorry getting a little off topic
It was the intent of the Government of the day to prohibit all paramilitary rifles.
The DCRA made the case that the AR-15 was used in target shooting competition.
The Government listened after a fashion, and restricted AR-15s, rather than prohibiting them.
Swiss shooters made the same argument, but were ignored, and the Swiss rifles were prohibited.
So, of the "black" rifles available at the time, only the AR rifles were not prohibited.
The more recent black rifles that are either restricted or non-restricted escaped outright prohibition because of the way the law was worded. It applied to firearms which existed at the time, not to those that might come on the market later.
There has been an on-going attempt made to correct this, and get all black rifles prohibited.
The DCRA made the case that the AR-15 was used in target shooting competition.
The Government listened after a fashion, and restricted AR-15s, rather than prohibiting them.
Swiss shooters made the same argument, but were ignored, and the Swiss rifles were prohibited.
So, of the "black" rifles available at the time, only the AR rifles were not prohibited.
The more recent black rifles that are either restricted or non-restricted escaped outright prohibition because of the way the law was worded. It applied to firearms which existed at the time, not to those that might come on the market later.
There has been an on-going attempt made to correct this, and get all black rifles prohibited.
IchBinEinSniper
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WOW... watch a lot of CSI and the like? No matter how you try to rationalize your opinions and feelings, reality is the vast majority of your friends, collegues, neighbours and citizens in general have a deep rooted morality that does not allow them to kill or harm anyone without life threatening justification, be it with a gun, knife, or keys. These people weren't thinking of killing anyone before, having someTHING does not change that. A gun is just a THING... look through your house, there are lots of THINGS in it, and they don't make you who you are. You might not trust others because you believe yourself to be untrustworthy...
There are a lot of people packing you just don't know it cuz they are concealed.... Feel better??
The old saying about locks only keep the honest people out certainly applies to gun control, both in this countrty and elsewhere. What irks me to no end, to put it mildly, is that just a few miles away from a lot of us, south of the border, AR platforms line the shelves of gun shops and are quite legal to use for wacking coyotes. For some reason in this country firearms have become the devil in the eyes of politicians. They have completely overlooked the real use of firearms. Not self defense, not shooting at other people, but rather for sport (and in many cases sustenance of some degree). The fact that firearms are demonized pisses me off completely. We, yes all of us, by and large have bought into this social re-engineering (and tv and video games helped along the way). Constantly I read about folks wanting the right to shoot at others to defend this or that. That's all very well and good but you just know, like it or not, the powers that be also read that stuff and it doesn't serve the gun owners' cause one iota. I personally think that you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Well, maybe the demise of the lgr does to some extent, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that in some dark, dingy, back hallway office in Ottawa there are people working on a draft of some legislation that restricts semi-autos, limits everything to single shot, or something similar. As long as firearms are considered primarily as instruments of violence in this country they will continue to be judged by their "evil" looks and not as useful or even enjoyable tools. As sad as it is to say, the AR will never be non-restricted IMHO, rather the opposite is likely to occur. If one more nutcase comes out from under a rock and goes postal then we're sunk.
Rant over.... its too early on a Saturday to be this angry....
Rant over.... its too early on a Saturday to be this angry....
I think you are confusing legal concealed carry with freedom of movement. Eliminating the ATT would not automatically authorize people to carry a firearm. It would simply allow a legal firearm owner to say go target shooting with is/her handgun wherever a firearm may legally be discharged (crown land or rural private property for example). Transport laws would be unaffected as well.
If the ATT laws were repealed tomorrow, it would still he highly illegal to carry a restricted firearm in the manner of which you are speaking of.
But you should know, anyone with the mindset to cause harm, is probably already carrying a firearm illegally. So next time you feel so "safe" think about that.
So you feel comfortable with the idea that criminals with no training/licensing are currently walking around with concealed firearms, but the idea of law abiding, honest, trained, safe and licensed citizens having that freedom is frightening to you?
It sounds like you've been listening to the wrong sources, illegal guns are already flowing into this country. Assuming fellow gun owners are going to become black market arms dealers is just asinine.
you don't know nobody is packing, try reading the news, you will find the kool aid tastes bad and the rose glasses are broken.
http://thetyee.ca/News/2006/05/03/RisingTideGuns/
