Can't touch a restricted handgun without RPAL?

Store policy, and most if not all at that. Ask a friend to play with their restricteds or get started on getting your licence to have free reigns.

There may actually be a clause that restricts stores from letting have access. Your not licensed, so it makes sense (as much as anything else does in Canada anyway). In my mind it's no difference than a someone without a non-restricted license asking to hold a Long Gun.

Also, to be fair, if you have not taken the RPAL they have to assume that you may not know how to safely handle a Restricted. EG. racking the slide back with the magazine in, then hitting the slide release on an auto. Big no no (and a slap on the PeePee) in the store.

In their mind, the firearms is not sold and therefor should remain in new condition. Someone who is not educated may do something they are not supposed to be accident. Also, as mentioned, there is 0% of you buying it so why go to the trouble. I mean, you can't walk on a car lot without the proper license and start test driving cars you like because you may get one oneday...
 
WaffenMitUns said:
Doesn't let you handle it? Never go to that gunstore ever again.

It is #### stuff like that which makes me throw money in a different direction.
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That makes no sense. He can't buy it anyway, so why fondle it. Firearms ge handled all the time by people that intentionally or unintentially mistreat them. Then we buy them and get pissed that it has been handled carelessly.

Not saying OP would do any of these things, just saying I understand where the policy stemmed from (that is if it is not infact a CFO regulation on stores)
 
JTF# said:
i wrote the RCMP afew months ago and asked if it was ok for my mom(has no pal) to shoot one of my guns just to try it out. they said its perfictly fine.
i dont think there is any law against holding or shooting a gun. its up to the store i guess. if you feel they are being rude to you just tell them they lost a customer and go some place else. or ask for a manager.
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A CFO regulation on a business is very different than you supervising a family member (or anyone for that matter) with your own firearms
 
Some stores I have been to actually hold your license behind counter until you are finished, in the event you run out the door with it. Makes sense to me, and I don't care if they hold my license for 5,10,20 mins...
 
Here's another thought. For us non 12.6/12.5 guys. Can we go into a shop and fondle full autos and snubbies? I have never asked, as I assumed it we be a definite NO. Perhaps that will be my next experiment...
 
I was asked by a certain surplus store in Edmonton the same stupid thing, funny thing is I do have my rpal but wasn't with me at the time, wanted to look at the gsg-1911 behind the counter as I am very interested and was in my god damn work uniform.

I still bought a cheap spyderco for work but otherwise screw them I won't be back and think that anyone that frowns on tire kickers are fuds especially when it comes to someone new to the sport. Interest and enthusiasm from new people coupled with a good salesman brings new people to the sport and money!
 
My sales guy at my local store did a great job selling me on the sport. I took me 6 months of tire kicking before I got on it, 1 year to get my license, and 8 months to complete my ATT, and my CZ75 shadow is still at the store which I purchased on lay away and kept it there until I get my ATT. I bought so far 3 firearms, and buying another one tomorrow. I spend hundreds of $ on ammo, and brought a few of my friends into the sport. You need to hold it, and get a basic firearm familiarization by sales guy and you might get new guy hooked.

I am sorry for you counter guys who's time is so valuable, but when you want to purchase something or get into a new hobby I hope you get the same "tire kicker" treatment.

Thanks to one of my local sales guys, I fell in love with the sport, and spend around 7k in the last 2.5 years on firearms and tactical gear ( over a grand in tac gear ). Some are trades, some are not, but I got 6 firearms right now. and 3 coming withing the next 15 months. I try to support my local club, and I buy as many firearms as I can locally. Unfortunately they are not big on tactical stuff, so sometimes I have to go to EE or CGN sponsors. I always call them first to get a price or availability on a product before I go on the internet.

I might just pull the trigger on buying a Chiappa Rhino tomorrow! Kinda scared if my girl friend finds out that I got another firearm, but I cant help my self! Its $50 more then the special at frontier firearms, but I got to play with it on site, and I value that I can play with it before I spend $.

I purchased or trade for 3 firearms withing the last 30 days. lol I guess being off for the winter, gives me to much time to think about guns! lol

I love about the fact that my local gun store will let me do lay always since I can use my extra cash to buy with, with out making it show up in my bank account and get in #### with my GF lol.
 
2 things.

1. I passed both the PAL and RPAL and have sent in my application. Just waiting for the CFC to hurry their butts along.

2. I wanted to see how a M&P and a Glock compare to each other grip wise.
 
Great way to buy a firearm instead of coffee or lunch! I save up my pennies and drop it off on my range day, 7 months later, I go home with a new firearm!
 
5440fight said:
Ask them if you can touch a person with a restricted pal, while they touch the gun.

Or: Tell them you'll wear gloves, that way you never actually touch it.

Or: Bring in a bag of chopsticks, rubber band a few together and touch it in the rack.

Or: Touch it quickly and run out, squealing.

Or: Tell them you never actually wanted to touch it, really you just want to smell it, but were embarased to ask.
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Lol, especially, I think, the use of the word squealing, I have images of the bell over the door giving a harsh "jing-a-ling" as you run blindly into the streets.

trekstor said:
M&P, much better :)
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Yep, you didn't need to touch them after all.
 
one time in band camp...i mean at a gun shop, a fella asked to hold a Ruger revolver. He couldn't produce a valid rpal and was denied. I was in a good mood, so i asked to see the same firearm so he could get a nice good look at it. The employee watched us like a hawk to make sure I didn't hand him the gun.
 
Two comments:

First, I believe the critical issue is the legal definition of "be in possession of ..." vs "handling" a firearm. In all the cases cited above - the clerk/store is still "in possession of the firearm" even though the POTENTIAL customer may be handling the firearm.
Second: in response to the narrow minded comments about "tire kickers" - I challenge every one of you making those comments : were you NEVER a so called "tire kicker" yourself before you got YOUR first gun? Would you be in the sport today if the first person YOU asked about shooting had told you to "bugger off?" The shooting sport needs ALL the newcomers we can get ESPECIALLY the young people who are most likely to be told to "bugger off kid"!!! I was in business long enough to learn that you should NEVER prejudge a customer by what YOU envision his potential to become a buyer actually is and that EVERY inquiry should be addressed as though it was going to result in a sale. If clerks/retail outlets can't or won't recognize that - then they have to expect a diminishing business over time. We have seen a dramatic illustration of this in Calgary!!!!!!!
 
Its been my experience that if you look or act like a Call Of Duty fanboy who wants to get his jollies by finger f*cking a gun at the local gunshop, you will probably get embarrassed. However if you show up with a rpal or pal and act like you might be shoppin', you will probably be accomodated. I have seen a couple kids with sideways ball caps and droopy pants kicked out of the shop I go to. Couple of ex-CAF guys working there with no patience for fools. Also they are usually busy and don't have time for that.
 
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