Hunters take aim at green groups

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OTTAWA -- Canadian hunting groups are loaded for bear after the sport hunting of polar bears got some bad international press this week.

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A story in the U.K. newspaper the Daily Mail reported that rich Chinese sportsmen were trophy hunting endangered polar bears in Canada's Far North.

"It was very biased and misleading," said Glen Williams, a wildlife consultant with Nunavut Tunngavik Inc in Iqaluit.

"Polar bears are not endangered in Canada; they are probably the best managed wildlife species in the country," Williams said. "There's millions of dollars spent each year doing surveys and population estimates on polar bears."

Trophy hunting is when only a head, pelt or antlers are taken by a shooter, leaving the meat to rot and waste.

Williams says all of the polar bear is used, eaten and shared in the host village closest to the kill.

"It's food. We just had polar bear ribs for supper on Sunday," said Williams, who says the taste and texture is similar to pork roast -- with a bear flavour.

"You are legally required to hunt with a dog team; it's not mechanized; you cannot hunt from an airplane; you cannot hunt from a snowmobile; and you have to go with an Inuk guide," Williams said.

The hunting of polar bears is strictly controlled and monitored using a quota tag system in Canada, similar to elk tags or moose tags obtained by hunters every season.

Each Inuit community decides how they want to use their allotted tags, either leasing them to sport hunters or using them for sustenance. Young people who are employed as hunting guides raise their own dog teams and make their own incomes with sport hunts.

"In Nunavut, hunting is a part of everyday life," said Steve Outhouse, director of communications to Minister Responsible for the North and Nunavut MP Leona Aglukkaq. "When any hunt takes place, including a sport hunt, the meat from the animal is used to feed community members, no usable part of the animal goes to waste."

Conservation groups continue to sound the alarm over the bears.

"Canada is home to two-thirds of the world's polar bears, and the southernmost polar bear population lives here with you in Ontario, but not necessarily for long, unless something is done about it," Richard Branson, a British billionaire and the founder of Virgin, told a Toronto press conference Tuesday. "Climate change and disappearing ice are forcing polar bears to go ashore earlier every year than they did the year before, preventing them from properly nourishing themselves.

"The southern populations especially, in Hudson Bay and Baffin, could vanish in 20 years unless current trends are reversed," Branson said. "Many throughout Ontario are committed to their protection, including members of the First Nations, who have lived and interact with polar bears and understand the vital role of polar bears for the millenia."

Williams, the wildlife consultant in Nunavut, says there is a lot of misinformation about polar bears.

"When I go south, I get approached by people who say 'My goodness, you have actually seen a polar bear?'" he said. "There's this belief that there are 10 left, and they are all on this one iceberg as it melts away and they are going to drown -- and that's not the case."

By Kris Sims ,Parliamentary Bureau

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/06/hunters-take-aim-at-green-groups
 
I have never been a big fan of foreign people coming to Canada to hunt, I think the resources should be saved and used by Canadians only, not sure how that effects our tourism or economy but its just kinda a weird feeling that I have, just doesn't seem right
 
Why should foreign people not be allowed to hunt here?... If they are willing to pay and our people benefit from it then why not allow it?.... I suppose that means you wouldn't go hunting in the US or Africa or Australia because you have such strong beliefs?
 
I have never been a big fan of foreign people coming to Canada to hunt, I think the resources should be saved and used by Canadians only, not sure how that effects our tourism or economy but its just kinda a weird feeling that I have, just doesn't seem right

Because Canadians don't travel the world to hunt in other places? That's kind of an arrogant statement, isn't it? Is it ok for us to travel abroad but not for others to come here? That's just silly.

As for polar bears, their numbers are apparantly increasing so I fail to see the hoopla about them. A bear is a bear and the best kind is a rug. ;)
 
I have never been a big fan of foreign people coming to Canada to hunt, I think the resources should be saved and used by Canadians only, not sure how that effects our tourism or economy but its just kinda a weird feeling that I have, just doesn't seem right

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there's a lot of villages up north that make a good buck guiding the "foreign" hunter- or at least a sustainable buck- life is hard enough for these folks , let alone making it harder-when the "foreign " hunter comes, he brings a LOT of infrastructure with him, and HE pays FOR IT
 
I have never been a big fan of foreign people coming to Canada to hunt, I think the resources should be saved and used by Canadians only, not sure how that effects our tourism or economy but its just kinda a weird feeling that I have, just doesn't seem right
Sssoooo......the Inuk hunters can just draw on welfare, shoot thier sled dogs & then sell thier rifles, because they will have no income to sustain thier way of life, way way way north of 60?

That's in effect what you would prefer right?

Shake your head........and do it again!

Please take your weird feeling & apply a bit of common sense and basic math.

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I wish we put some money into management of other so-called trophy species, but polar bears are no different than elephants or lions, giving value to a species.

The greens will argue all day about how we should save species and then when the time comes to pay they are suddenly absent.

Every single successful species re-introduction and species conservation effort is payed for with money from hunter.
 
Canadians are mostly too cheap to hunt with guides, so who else is going to keep the outfitters a viable part of our economy? Do you have any idea how much it costs a foreign hunter to go on a 10 day polar bear hunt? Think in terms of a year's salary for a working guy! That income is important to both families and communities in the arctic. By comparison, an Inuit hunter will only get a few thousand dollars for the same bear he shoots himself.

As an interesting aside, I think I've seen that particular bear before . . .
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I fail to see what difference it makes as to who kills a wild animal, or what they do with it afterwards, as long as there are enough of them left for next year.
 
The only thing I hate about foreigners is when they try to tell us how to manage OUR resources. Especially coming from the mouth of Richard Branson.
The other side of it is that nothing is going to waste either. The meat is being consumed by the locals (just like what happens on African hunts). So the guide makes a good chunk of change from the foreign hunter, the foreign hunter gets his hunt of a lifetime, and the community still gets to consume the meat. So the only difference in this equation vs the guides just hunting the bears themselves is they get to make a bunch of money. Win-win to me.
 
No no I understand totally and I said I don't know how that would affect our economy, I understand the money is important for outfitters etc, I guess I am just bitter that I have had very limited opportunities to hunt in my own country because of money/land permission or not getting a tag so it hurts to see non Canadians succeeding at hunting our own game. My feelings make no sense and I wouldn't expect them to ban foreign hunting, its just a personal thing. Maybe over time my sentiments will change when I gain opportunities like this. But as someone said, as long as it is being managed properly, sure why not, but as long as it never gets to a point where a Canadian is denied a tag or hunting rights but an outsider is allowed etc

As well I have no interest in hunting over seas yet, but who knows, maybe one day!
 
There's a lot of implied racism in the Daily Mail article. OMG the Chinese are buying us all out and coming to kill our endangered species. From what I have read, it is overwhelmingly American hunters with a smattering of Europeans. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
No no I understand totally and I said I don't know how that would affect our economy, I understand the money is important for outfitters etc, I guess I am just bitter that I have had very limited opportunities to hunt in my own country because of money/land permission or not getting a tag so it hurts to see non Canadians succeeding at hunting our own game. My feelings make no sense and I wouldn't expect them to ban foreign hunting, its just a personal thing. Maybe over time my sentiments will change when I gain opportunities like this. But as someone said, as long as it is being managed properly, sure why not, but as long as it never gets to a point where a Canadian is denied a tag or hunting rights but an outsider is allowed etc

As well I have no interest in hunting over seas yet, but who knows, maybe one day!

From International Safari Corporation website:
Rates:


10 hunting days including polar bear $ Can 35,900

Boat rent supplement (August – September) $ Can 15,000
Walrus trophy fee (August only) $ Can 7,500
Musk Ox trophy fee (August only) $ Can 7,000


^Until you can afford this, I myself would not complain.
 
No no I understand totally and I said I don't know how that would affect our economy, I understand the money is important for outfitters etc, I guess I am just bitter that I have had very limited opportunities to hunt in my own country because of money/land permission or not getting a tag so it hurts to see non Canadians succeeding at hunting our own game. My feelings make no sense and I wouldn't expect them to ban foreign hunting, its just a personal thing. Maybe over time my sentiments will change when I gain opportunities like this. But as someone said, as long as it is being managed properly, sure why not, but as long as it never gets to a point where a Canadian is denied a tag or hunting rights but an outsider is allowed etc

As well I have no interest in hunting over seas yet, but who knows, maybe one day!

So essentially you mean....

IF I CANT HAVE IT NO ONE CAN!

Grow up or go back to kindergarten.
 
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