The AR-10

Just besides the point- a new rifle couldn't be called an ar-10, anyway, as i'm pretty sure armalite has trademarks on the name. build it similar to an ar10 with different upper/lower pin locations so an ar-10 upper wouldn't fit....... sorta like the Black Specials etc...
 
HeVGunner said:
Just besides the point- a new rifle couldn't be called an ar-10, anyway, as i'm pretty sure armalite has trademarks on the name. build it similar to an ar10 with different upper/lower pin locations so an ar-10 upper wouldn't fit....... sorta like the Black Specials etc...
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I would be carefull with that one as well, this "Variant" term is a tremendously powerfull piece of legislation... more to the point that this new firearm would have to be of such a nature to not even have any real ties to anything remotely 'AR/M16' styled; Im still amazed (but happy at the same time too) that the AR-180B managed to stay Non-Rest, and maybe someday I'll get one :) but with this Variant term weve seen even with the classification of that very unique shotgun that CanAmmo tried to bring in, the Adkal 1919 or Akdal (I believe that spelling is correct, its one of them wierdo names :D) and that was deemed a 'variant' thus 'restricted'

NEA if you are watching this, grab an AR-180B and make us some copies, and supersize it for us in .308 pretty please!!!!... :D
 
Firearms lab uses the term variant loosely. Variant isn't defined in the C.C.

The whole firearms act needs a reset button with no police involvement and more insight from knowledgeable parties such as CSSA and NFA.
 
Leper said:
Make Model Manufacturer Type Action Class Calibre Shots Barrel Reg_date Client Pcode Prov Country Lost Stolen Recovered loststolen_year

Armalite AR-10 Non-restricted Semi-Automatic Rifle 7.62 X 51 (308) Multi-shots > 470mm 3/20/2003 Individual T5 AB Canada \r NULL


Armalite AR10 Non-restricted Semi-Automatic Rifle 7.62 mm Multi-shots > 470mm 7/3/2003 Individual P6 ON Canada
armalite ar10 Non-restricted Semi-Automatic Rifle 308 Multi-shots > 470mm 12/6/2002 Individual P0 ON Canada
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You know whats sick!
I can tell you who owns those guns by what little info is posted above:mad:
 
Actually, wouldn't it make sense for people in the firearms industry to be involved in the definition of "Variant". Most of them are neutral, within the constraints that we're talking about here.
 
enefgee said:
Actually, wouldn't it make sense for people in the firearms industry to be involved in the definition of "Variant". Most of them are neutral, within the constraints that we're talking about here.
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How are people in the industry neutral?

Hmmm..... If I call this a variant I severely cut down on the number of people who can purchase my product or......
 
OK. So if there are many potential customers for this pattern of rifle in 308/7.62x51 and it would be non-restricted, why are Canadian manufacturers not building them instead of restricted AR-15's? I won't touch an AR because of the restriction. It is a waste my money in my opinion. I would, however, purchase immediately a non-restricted AR-10. There would be no thinking or pondering over the purchase; I'd simply pick up the telephone and order it. That simple.
NEA?
 
KevinB said:
We have a ton of them, and all the engineering drawings for the AR-10, AR-16 and several other E. M. Stoner designs.

Note not all the guns had barrels longer than 18.5"

Neat guns, if given a fair shake against the M-14 it would probably still be the main US Military weapon.
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Did someone say AR-16 :D Damn I wish there was more than a VERY few examples out there......need another 308 non-restricted black rifle!
 
Claven2 said:
Nope. Original select-fire guns are prohibs, but not be name, only because they are converted autos.

Any originals that may have left the factory as semis are NON-RESTRICTED so long as bbl is longer than 18.5 inches (all were longer).

I have said it 1000 times. If anyone (NEA - are you listening!??) made a new-manufacture semi-auto AR10, it would be non-restricted and sell like MAD. Particularly if they could do it in the $1000 range.
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id buy it in the 1500$ range. lol
 
HeVGunner said:
Just besides the point- a new rifle couldn't be called an ar-10, anyway, as i'm pretty sure armalite has trademarks on the name. build it similar to an ar10 with different upper/lower pin locations so an ar-10 upper wouldn't fit....... sorta like the Black Specials etc...
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Now why didn't I think of that? Oh wait, I did not only think about it, we actually DID build something so at this very moment and for the last 2 weeks prior to now, our prototype is with the lab rats in Ottawa awaiting determination of legal class.
By all that is logical and right our prototype should be deemed non restricted, but........ So we wait and see what they say.
 
I will add that I'm aware of at least 1 "non-restricted" AR10 in BC that is simply not registered correctly - the owner is GOING to have problems one day, especially if he continues to take it out shooting. It will be interesting to see what the lab does with ATR's product - frankly, I don't think they give a damn about the rules, and when judges defer to them as "unbiased experts" they're just lying.
 
DaveGP said:
I'm liking the thought - a Canadian unrestricted 308 black rifle!
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1) Wait until we see it arrive
2) Wait until we see the price

If everything is good then It should be interesting. I'm looking forward to see if they go DI or piston (My vote is for DI).
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Why do you think I was looking to borrow an Armalite AR10 upper?
To make bloody sure it would not work with our creation:D
Thanks again for your offer!
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What does the upper have to do with it?

I do believe that the AR-180B and AR-18 uppers are interchangeable, it doesn't make the 180B a prohib.

If your lower is similar in design to an AR and it takes standard AR-15 components then I fear it would most likely be deemed a variant.
 
Leg said:
What does the upper have to do with it?

I do believe that the AR-180B and AR-18 uppers are interchangeable, it doesn't make the 180B a prohib.

If your lower is similar in design to an AR and it takes standard AR-15 components then I fear it would most likely be deemed a variant.
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If the lower won't fit an AR10 upper, it can't be called a variant.
 
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