Benelli MR1 collapsable vs Modded CSA VZ58 5.56

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Hey all,

I have been trying to think of the best way to get into a coyote/gopher/plinker/SHTF/run-n-gun rifle that the whole family can shoot.

I cant seem to make a decision between the MR1 Collapsable and a CSA VZ58 in 5.56 with all the fixins (side rail, collapsable folding stock, AR Magwell, Railed upper and lower hand guard).

They are both at the high end of what I could afford and I must have a decent coyote rifle in the end.

The rifle would be scoped and I would likely be reloading for it.

Main concerns are Accuracy, weight, Small hand ergonomics, and reliability.

Please let me know your thoughts.


Thanks
 
For your requirements I would say go with the MR-1, I think it is the better hunting rifle with an accuracy edge.
I'm with Throttle-monkey however...I can't stand the ugly overpriced abomination! :p
 
I've owned both. I only have a csa with ar magwell adapter now.

That's not to undermine the MR1, but its definately eccentric, I would highly recommend trying one and handling the ergo's first. Then again, MR1 has accuracy edge.
 
The MR-1 will "as-is" take the LAR 10-shot mags, but is a bit tricky to scope "as is".
I'd also suggest it holds the accuracy edge...:yingyang:

The VZ is less expensive "as is", definitely has "the look" and the quicker ergonomics to it, and I'd suggest is more customization-friendly.....;)

Hope that helps, some ?...:)
 
I had both, so I think my opinion will help you make your decision.

Actually If you want to scope it, go with the Benelli Mr1. I regret selling mine, and I will be buying another one. Its very similiar upper receiver to a swiss arms.

It is very ACCURATE, very comrtable, very high quality. The sights are awesome.

For run and gun benelli would be way better then a vz. awesome gopher rifle, stanag and standard mags work, awesome trigger.

VZ...

Well, First of all, unless you get the 18 inch version, it wont be a good hunting rifle.

mounting optics is a HUGE pain in the ass, and if you get a scope the cheek rest sucks.

Its cool, cheap, good battle gun. I think the sight radius is to short for it to be good for 3 gun or run and gun.

If you want a multi purpose rifle, get the benelli, one on EE. Get a good scope, bipod, and call it a day. BTW, the CX4 storm front rail fits the benelli. Easy to get from the states. Its metal, much better then the dedicated mr1.
 
I suppose there is one other option in the Keltec SU-16 with the AR butt stock adapter....

Though I haven't seen a great deal of Accuracy info and there have been Negative posts regarding quality / durability.

Is there anyone that chime in on this option?
 
Ony reason why I would not consider the su 16, is quality. I am not sure as I haven;t seen enough reports.

If it is like a glock 17 reliability. I will buy one.
 
I suppose there is one other option in the Keltec SU-16 with the AR butt stock adapter....

Though I haven't seen a great deal of Accuracy info and there have been Negative posts regarding quality / durability.

Is there anyone that chime in on this option?

I have only shot the su-16 at 50 and 100 yards and at 100 yards i can get 2-3 inch groups with cheap winchester ammo.

I have never hunted so cant say if this is accurate enough for you but its about half the price of the mr1 in stock configuration.

Caramel has posts that show the mr1 to be very accurate with realods.
 
Ony reason why I would not consider the su 16, is quality. I am not sure as I haven;t seen enough reports.

If it is like a glock 17 reliability. I will buy one.

I've never yet had an issue with mine...:yingyang:...it groups nice (enough) ;) , is easy to scope :D , can be customized quite a bit :stirthepot2: , and takes LAR-15 magazines "as is" in factory configuration....:dancingbanana:
 
I have only shot the su-16 at 50 and 100 yards and at 100 yards i can get 2-3 inch groups with cheap winchester ammo.

I have never hunted so cant say if this is accurate enough for you but its about half the price of the mr1 in stock configuration.

Caramel has posts that show the mr1 to be very accurate with realods.

Is this scoped or with Irons? How many rounds in a grouping? Do you have any issues with the quality or toughness of the rifle? There were reports of Flex where the barrel goes into the reciever, have you noticed any thing like that?

1.5 moa would be the worst I could tolerate, of course the lower the better.

I have seen Caramels posts regarding hand loads with the MR1. I have not seen any posts with accuracy from the White boxes of the world on the MR1.

I would most likely end up handloading my hunting ammo anyway.

It would be nice to see what handloads can do in the VZ and the SU-16.
 
Is this scoped or with Irons? How many rounds in a grouping? Do you have any issues with the quality or toughness of the rifle? There were reports of Flex where the barrel goes into the reciever, have you noticed any thing like that?

1.5 moa would be the worst I could tolerate, of course the lower the better.

I have seen Caramels posts regarding hand loads with the MR1. I have not seen any posts with accuracy from the White boxes of the world on the MR1.

I would most likely end up handloading my hunting ammo anyway.

It would be nice to see what handloads can do in the VZ and the SU-16.
5 shot groups and scoped. I havent noticed any flex but its not the best of quility in terms of materials.

I am sure others can get better groups with reloads but i only shoot factory ammo in this rifle.
 
Stock SU16 is very light and folding with the original stock means you can pack it in a very small bag.

Mine is very picky with ammo. It doesn't like surplus; it shoots fine with American Eagle.

The stock bipod that comes out of the foregrip is the s**ts (pure gimmick) so you will want to swap out the original foregrip with the AR-like foregrip that comes with bottom rails as the original foregrip does not have rails and then attach a bipod onto the rail.

No complaints about the Zytel receiver but the plastic stock mags and the quality of the foregrip stock plastic is not going to stand up to rough and tumble. But it's not a battle rifle.

Get rid of the plastic stock mags. Very garbage. Replace with LAR15s or Pmags.

Shoots very clean. I don't have to clean it after every range visit, really, but I do because I like cleaning.
 
Su-16 is super lightweight...shoots fine nothing special either way.

But between the 3 its at the low end of the spectrum. It works and is the cheapest of the bunch, but you will feel like your holding a glorified nerf gun. It IS all plastic and it IS held together by way too many screws. Its reliable enough and shoots about average for what you'd expect out of an econo rifle. It just FEELS like your holding a plastic gun, because thats what it is. Did I meantion its the cheapest of the 3? The folding stock bipod fixture is garbage and an annoying affair to reposition. Purchasing the ar stock added about a dozen more screws to the side, making you wonder if you should run out for that extra 3 tubes of loctite or post in an XCR forum about where to buy bulk 242 for your XCR...err...you mean SU16 but we won't tell. At this point your also into the 4 digit range costwise for again...lots of plastic. Or polymer if that word makes you feel better.
This would make a great truck gun if you let it fold...or a survival gun? Occasional plinker? I'm not sure, just looking at the finish dissapear from the barrel after folding the stock folding forend a few times turned me off fast.
Did I mention this is the most affordable of the 3? Thats about the greatest saving grace.

The MR1 hits the high end of the scale between the 3. It is by far the HEAVIEST of the 3, to the point where you hold it and wonder why the heck any 556 should weigh this much, or if your holding the new Barret in .80 caliber Humongosaurus rex. It has ergonomics that are eccentric, with a mag release only its maker could love requiring 2 hands to properly operate. It does wear the Benelli badge with pride, offering high quality parts and finish throughout, and a piston system that looks like it was designed to enable reliable feeding of 120mm APHEFSDS rounds not .223, hence the added weight. That being said, you KNOW this thing is going to be reliable due to that overbuilt piston. Visually you either love her or hate her, but it can grow on you. Aftermarket is practically non-existant, owing itself thusfar to the 1 propietary tri-rail system that costs 5x as much as it should for a piece of plastic no bigger than a credit card. The barrel, while thin has Benelli's signature dipping process allowing it to remain ultra-thin while providing very good accuracy and heat resistance in rapid fire. Scoping can give you a cheek rest that would suit dolph lundgrens massive square jaw unless you remove the rear sight. Personally I only ever had teh fixed stock, finding the adjustable on the MR1 to look like some sort of space age manta ray fixture.
Overall its ECCENTRIC. Something I would highly recommend you TRY BEFORE YOU BUY. It is NOT your current wunderwaffen that is 90% of all rifles currently built similar if not exactly like a modern AR. That can be a GOOD thing depending on your needs, but it is also a DIFFERENT rifle.

Now the CSA 556 rifles. I'm biased but only because I've owned all 3 and this is the only 1 out of the 3 I've kept.
It is a sub 1000$ rifle that is built all metal parts with a high quality finish. It is simple to strip and clean, quicker than either the su16 OR mr1. In your hands it FEELS like a rifle designed for the average man to fight off hordes of either rabid squirrels or killer penguins. Aftermarket support is wonderful and the plethora of grips, stocks, forends etc will keep you busy for a long time and satisfy most adult gunlego afficionados, albeit if you want to mount a traditional style scope you may have a little more headache but this is overcomeable. Accuracy is on par with what a millitary-esque rifle should be. With the ar magwell adapter that takes 3 minutes to install it is everything I think a rifle should be. There are also multiple barrel lengths available to suit any tastes from PDW to non-restricted and the CSA rep is even on this board available to answer any and all questions at the mention of a post. THere's a reason the soviets let the Czechs keep this design...Oh and did I mention this is still under 1k CDN even with the magwell adapter?
 
I have owned all the rifles posted in this thread. I Benelli MR1 is a nice semi auto hunting rig for under 300 meter shots. CSA is good for the end of the world senario. Light and rugged but not that accurate but still good enough for 200 meters or less. The XCR is all about wishing that one could have a non-resticted AR but it will never happen so this is the best you can do for the moment if you have enough lock-tite but still with handloads it won't break the 2 moa mark. Even though it weighs the most for any 223 rifle. SU16 is a light wieght adaptable rifle platform that is worth around $400 not the $800 it goes for. Even though I find it quite accurate up to 300 meters and can easly hit a pie plate @ 200 meters with a 4 moa red dot in the standing position. Although the main reason why I state that it is over priced are that:
1) light wieght barrel easly heats up and cause's eratic group's after a few LAR 10 round mags.
2) The plastice wobble pod stink's and there plastic wiggle bs rail is not much beter.
3) The stock sight's well lets just say they speak for them selves.
4) The lack of cool after market parts to realy make this rifle shine. Even though I came up with the metal free floated quad rail, extended ar ambi mag release and a bolt release for this rifle platform.
Still I realy like this rig and considering I did #4 and it shot just as good as the XCR although it doesn't cost as much as the Benelli MR1 and I took really long time between shots. But if money isn't a problem then I would say the MR1 is the best non-bullpup design that is non-resticted out to date that takes AR mags.
 
I concur with just about everyone else here. The CSA is a beauty of a battle gun. Not the most accurate 5.56 out there, but I am still experiementing with 69 grain handloads. I personally think that the CSA has a better feel to it than the Benelli, but to each his own. The Benelli just plain costs too much for what it is and the pencil barrel just doesn't sit well with me for no other reason than aesthetics.
 
I concur with just about everyone else here. The CSA is a beauty of a battle gun. Not the most accurate 5.56 out there, but I am still experiementing with 69 grain handloads. I personally think that the CSA has a better feel to it than the Benelli, but to each his own. The Benelli just plain costs too much for what it is and the pencil barrel just doesn't sit well with me for no other reason than aesthetics.

It sure would be nice to see some groups with ammo made for the 1-7 twist.

I would think that up to 77grn bullets would be useable at ar magazine length
 
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