What do you guys think? a question of ethics.

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I have been hunting a small crown plot a number of years now for deer, coyote, rabbits and woodcock. On Monday afternoon my hunting partner and I decided to do a little scouting and calling in the area. We parked the truck and walked in on foot and right away found a bait pile right near the entrance to this area. We continued on past to the field I prefer and found a big box-O-meat placed in the ideal location.

What would you do? Sit on it? Near it? I have been hunting here for years and have never come across bait piles before. Lots of grow ops in the area, but never bait. I do not plan on finding another acreage as this is crown land and there isn't much else in the area. Would it be considered "rude" to hunt over this guys bait pile? I'd hate to crap in another hunters corn flakes, especially as we obviously share the same passion. But my options are very limited.

The bait pile is butcher trimming and kalmatra olives. If the owner of the bait is reading this, feel free to PM me.
 
It's crown land... everyone's to hunt.... you can't just throw out a bait pile and expect to be the only one to hunt over it.... If you feel awkward about it my suggestion would be to go to you rlocal butcher and get some scraps of your own and help maintain it....
 
Buy your own land, or suck it up. Everyone that hunts public land will eventually experience something like what you going through, and some will see little else. There's next to nothing you can do about it, except make sure you have many options. Believe me, many have tried with methods that range from subtle to illegal.

Every exclusive land-use area I've ever had involved the generousity of a landowner or a pile of money. I suspect that not what you want to hear?
 
Dogleg said:
Buy your own land, or suck it up. Everyone that hunts public land will eventually experience something like what you going through, and some will see little else. There's next to nothing you can do about it, except make sure you have many options. Believe me, many have tried with methods that range from subtle to illegal.
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"Buy my own land, or suck it up"? "nothing I can do about it?"

Did you even read my post? if you did, did you understand what I was saying?

I think you missed my point completely. I'm not complaining about the bait piles at all. I actually appreciate it :) I don't hunt over bait myself I only use calls, but I don't see how it could possibly hurt.

BTW, I do have my own land and lots of it. Unfortunately my cottage is 3.5 hours away and I enjoy hunting much more often than I am able to get up there.

My question was more along the lines of wondering how the "other" hunter would react to finding me sitting over his bait or in the general area of it. As I already stated, I have NO intention of looking for another area as this area is very productive and is within a short driving distance of where I live.

Dogleg said:
Every exclusive land-use area I've ever had involved the generousity of a landowner or a pile of money. I suspect that not what you want to hear?
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Again, I am not looking for/or expect to have exclusive use of crown land. but I suspect I am wasting my time trying to explain what I thought was fairly clear in my first post.

Thanks for your effort.
 
NShunter1254 said:
That's easy, no hunter with any morals will hunt another guys bait.Feel free to move a few hundred yards and setup your own bait.
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I would normally agree with you. Unfortunately this plot of crown land is only 100 acres or so. These bait piles are placed in the only two clearings in the area. This doesn't leave me any other option but to either setup and call near his bait, or simply not hunt. I guess you could just as easily say no hunter with any morals would hog every prime hunting location for himself in such a small limited wildlife area.


And again, as already stated....I do not hunt over bait, so I will not be setting up my own bait pile. I call, that's it.
 
roccoskeet said:
I'd hunt a hundered yards away.
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thats what I plan on doing. I'll set the decoys 100 yards or more away too. I was more concerned as to how another hunter would view my presence near his bait. I see how some here would react, hopefully whoever placed the bait has less of a sense of entitlement.

it's a small area, we will run into one another.
 
If he baited it and you hunt it there is nothing he can do or say about it. It is Public land, anything you put there and leave someone else can use. Up here you are not allowed to leave anything in the Simcoe forests. If you take it in you take it out with you.

I'd hunt it and look into replenishing it as well so the other guy can enjoy the benefits as well.
 
NShunter1254 said:
That's easy, no hunter with any morals will hunt another guys bait.Feel free to move a few hundred yards and setup your own bait.
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So buddy now "owns" that area because he put a bait pile up?.... That's ridiculous.... OP has been hunting the field for a while and one day he walks in and finds a bait pile and he can't hunt it anymore?... It's Crown land... baitpile guy doesn't own it and has no right to expect to throw out some scraps and declare the land his...

And to think I paid all of that money for my land when all I had to do was just find some Crown acreage and scatter a bucket of table scraps....
 
My question was more along the lines of wondering how the "other" hunter would react to finding me sitting over his bait or in the general area of it.
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That's easy, he's going to be livid even though he probably has no right to feel that way. I say "probably" because in some places its illegal to hunt over or interfere with someone's bait. There is no good solution to your problem, hence the "suck it up".
 
leave a note for him in a baggie on the bait...explain you have been hunting there forever and don't mind sharing...as long as he feels the same way.
Your name and ph# will allow him to make the next move if you so desire.
 
BrotherRockeye said:
leave a note for him in a baggie on the bait...explain you have been hunting there forever and don't mind sharing...as long as he feels the same way.
Your name and ph# will allow him to make the next move if you so desire.
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Great idea. I'll leave a business card and a note to contact me. I assume like me, he will not be able to hunt everyday. If I manage to get in contact with him, I might be able to schedule my hunting time around when he will not be hunting. I absolutely do not mind contributing to his baiting efforts if he is willing to accept my contribution.

Thanks guys.
 
Flying_Finn said:
If he baited it and you hunt it there is nothing he can do or say about it. It is Public land, anything you put there and leave someone else can use. Up here you are not allowed to leave anything in the Simcoe forests. If you take it in you take it out with you.

I'd hunt it and look into replenishing it as well so the other guy can enjoy the benefits as well.
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I agree with this 100%. I have no doubt the person that left the piles there will be a little miffed, but its crown land, so it has to be expected that others will be there also. If you bring some scraps of your own to top up the pile it would go a long way to keeping everyone happy too.
 
Hmm, I go to my secret spot that I think I only know about and it is on Crown Land and as I approach "The Spot" I see(insert game animal here) presenting a wonderful opportunity for a shot and I take it .
Whats wrong with that?
Recover it, tag it, gut/skin it, carry on there is nothing more to see here.
As for being a little miffed I might consider it littering,but here in BC baiting of bears is illegal...
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
I'd just hunt the spot. Sorry it's crown land. You were going to hunt there anyways without the bait so what's the big deal. If buddy shows up and gets all pissed that is his problem. If he doesn't want people to hunt over the bait he put out he should secure some private land to bait on.

Now if I showed up and buddy was hunting in "my" spot on crown land I'd just move along to a different location or see if he wanted to hunt together. If he's not there the spot is fair game.
 
I honestly don't see the problem with you hunting a piece of land that you've always hunted, you have as much right to hunt there as the guy that baited it, so I'd say hunt away LIKE YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE and let the other guy do the same if you don't wish to hunt over his bait (which I wouldn't either) just move a little ways away like others have suggested
 
Think of it like fishing.
The best spots will always have somebody sitting on it.
And if you're ice fishing it's no crime to use a hole that's already been drilled.
 
Would it be considered "rude" to hunt over this guys bait pile? I'd hate to crap in another hunters corn flakes
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I guess there's different hunting ethics in Ontario.In Nova Scotia Hunting another man's bait is akin to making a play for your best friends wife.We believe your a douchbag if you do.
 
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