SKS Bullpup!! Who can bring this baby into canada?

conmaesta said:
My thoughts exactly...If a manufactured Bullpup like a Tavor is not illegal why the hell is a BP stock illegal especially for a bloody SKS...Cripes this country is dumb...hmm, I already knew that...
But help me out..what is the rationale??
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The idea is that you are modifying a gun to make it shorter which is interpreted by the leftists to mean more concealable and deadly. Similar to the reason you can't chop a barrel less than 18 1/2 inches, but can buy a manufactured 8.5 inch one. Retarded!

The law doesn't prohibit bullpups by name, only states that the stock itself is prohibited if the firearm will function when removed from the stock.

Theoretically you could make your own bullpup stock but it would have to incorporate an essential part of the gun so that when the action is removed from the stock it will not operate.

This is why the Walther G22 was recently prohibited, or more correctly the stock itself was prohibited. The action could function outside of the stock.

The bullpups that are legal have a stock is usually part of the frame upper, or lower.

One gun that could easily be made a bullpup is the 10/22 if we could get someone to machine receivers that were made to function as stocks.

We should press NEA to get working on something.
 
Juster said:
Please provide a link to this "law" that says the stock itself is prohibited if the firearm will function when removed from the stock.
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To start:

CSSA Bulletin

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 14:11
Canadian Shooting Sports Association
SPECIAL BULLETIN
APRIL 25, 2005

Text Box: Walther G22 -
- -Fire control and magazine integrated into the rear of the stock
- -This gives an extremely short overall length of 720 mm in spite of the
optimal 508 mm barrel length
- -The first small-bore rifle in this class available in a genuine left-hand
version
- -Variable-length stock for a custom fit to the shooter. A 20 mm extension is
included.
- -Adjustable sliding sights
- -Weaver-style universal rail at the sight mount to accept optics
- -Weaver-style universal rail at the front sight mount to accept the Walther
laser
- -Weaver-style universal rail at the forearm for a bipod or other accessories
- -WALTHER "Safety package" consisting of a slide safety, cocking indicator,
magazine safety and integral lock to protect against unauthorized use

Government Determines Stock is Prohibited - But Not The Gun!!

We have received information that the RCMP has decided that the synthetic
"bullpup" stock attached to the Walter G22 Rifle is a prohibited device, but
the gun (minus stock) is non-restricted.

Say What???

That is correct. According to the Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC), "The
Walther G22 is, by definition, a non-restricted rifle. However, the stock
with which it is marketed is a bullpup stock and as such, a prohibited
device as defined at section 2 of Part 4 of the Schedule of the Regulations
Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of
Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as
Prohibited or Restricted. Those regulations were made under Part III of the
Criminal Code in 1998. Previously, bullpup stocks were prohibited by Order
in Council.

"The firearm itself has not been declared prohibited."

Confused? So are we. Originally, the Firearms Reference Table (FRT) stated
that the G22 is of "a bullpup design as opposed to being equipped with a
bullpup stock. As such it is correctly assigned a legal classification of
non-restricted."

Someone at the RCMP recently determined that the G22 has a bullpup stock
that is not integral to the rifle and that the rifle can be fired without
the stock attached. Therefore, the stock has been declared prohibited but
not the rifle. This could mean that any guns in dealer stock will have to be
stripped of their stocks or returned to sender and those who purchased one
will have to dismantle the rifle and destroy or surrender the offending
attachment - not very appealing alternatives.

And who will pay for this about face at CFC - you will. There may be no
compensation and the dealers and owners will lose their property -
confiscation.

It is interesting that this decision comes on the heels of a meeting we had
just a couple of weeks ago with senior officials from the CFC on the threat
to the Ruger Min-14. The statement was made that the CFC knew of no plans
whatsoever to prohibit the Mini-14 or any other gun. Is this what they mean
by keeping their word?

This situation is totally ridiculous and shows the stupidity of this Liberal
legislation. How could a 1 pound piece of plastic possibly be such a menace
to society that it must be declared a prohibited device and you could go to
jail for up to 10 years.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. If this ruling is allowed to stand, it
will give the bureaucrats at the CFC the power to ban any gun on a whim
without recourse or parliamentary scrutiny - a totally unacceptable
situation.
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And:

2. Any rifle, shotgun or carbine stock of the type known as the “bull-pup” design, being a stock that, when combined with a firearm, reduces the overall length of the firearm such that a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine-well is located behind the trigger of the firearm when it is held in the normal firing position.
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/FullText.html

Basically the idea as I understand it is that if the stock is an integral part of the firearm design like with the Tavor, or Keltec RFB then it is good to go. If however the stock is removable from the action, and not a part of it, as in the gun functions without the stock, then it is prohibited.

So if somebody built a receiver(technically the firearm) that was built as part of the stock, say a solid aluminum stock/action then it would be good to go.
 
mlehtovaara said:
And:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/FullText.html

Basically the idea as I understand it is that if the stock is an integral part of the firearm design like with the Tavor, or Keltec RFB then it is good to go. If however the stock is removable from the action, and not a part of it, as in the gun functions without the stock, then it is prohibited.

So if somebody built a receiver(technically the firearm) that was built as part of the stock, say a solid aluminum stock/action then it would be good to go.
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An sks will not fire without the stock, so if I shorten the factory stock, is that alright or am I misreading something? A folding stock is legal even though the rifle can be fired with the stock in a folded up position?

Not trying to be a jackass, i dont get the legal mumbo-jumbo, it might as well be in French
 
Wow. everyone on here is always so ####ing negative. Take a second away from being brilliant and consider that there are people in the shooting world that lack your omnipotent knowledge
 
bandit86 said:
An sks will not fire without the stock, so if I shorten the factory stock, is that alright or am I misreading something? A folding stock is legal even though the rifle can be fired with the stock in a folded up position?

Not trying to be a jackass, i dont get the legal mumbo-jumbo, it might as well be in French
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You are right that non of this makes logical sense!

A bullpup stock that makes an SKS or a M14 really short is illegal meanwhile you can just buy a bullpup frearm like an rfb that way, or buy a 8.5 inch barreled shotgun.

You have to stop trying to understand why the law is what it is. You will not find an answer to anything in C68 thinking this way.

All you really need to take from this is that an Bullpup stock is prohitbited unless it is an integral part of the firearm, and it essentially needs to be manufactured as such, not an aftermarket ad on.

You can do whatever you like to shorten the existing SKS stock, even cutting it off completely, as long as it maintains a length of 26 inches, and a barrel length of 18 1/2 inches. Likewise adding a folding stock, or collapsing stock is not an issue.
 
animalamidon said:
Wow. everyone on here is always so f**king negative. Take a second away from being brilliant and consider that there are people in the shooting world that lack your omnipotent knowledge
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Has nothing to do with "omnipotent knowledge" has to do with reading the laws that are in place. Sometimes one needs to read more before asking. All the firearms laws and regulations are on the cfp web page and in the ccc.
 
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