Recommendation for pistol safe

4n2t0 said:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-2.html#h-3

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-3.html#h-4
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I found the wording somewhat ambiguous.

I currently have a fire proof safe, and aside from the reservations of a poster above (regarding fireproofing being damaged by desiccants), is there any legal reason I wouldn't be able to store pistols (no trigger lock) + ammunition?

Consumer fire safes are pretty easy to open - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTnJVwYkJs&feature=related


"(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and"

Could this not be interpreted to mean that the safe/vault must also be designed/modified for the secure storage of firearms?
 
John_C said:
I found the wording somewhat ambiguous.

I currently have a fire proof safe, and aside from the reservations of a poster above (regarding fireproofing being damaged by desiccants), is there any legal reason I wouldn't be able to store pistols (no trigger lock) + ammunition?

Consumer fire safes are pretty easy to open - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTnJVwYkJs&feature=related


"(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and"

Could this not be interpreted to mean that the safe/vault must also be designed/modified for the secure storage of firearms?
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1) No locking device required when using a safe/vault ("Gun cabinets" aren't the same for some reason).
2) You can store the ammo together with the pistol (No locking device) when using a safe/vault.
3) Don't worry about the last question, it's a safe.

@$%!# I hate all these goddamn rules!
 
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Tupperware only keep moisture out for so long (not very long at all). Ask the cigar smokers they are very keen on humidity.

More importantly spray some fluid film on your collection and you can store it under water if need be.

Fluid film is food grade for food processing equipment and non toxic. I like the smell. I wouldn't be putting it in my mouth tho.
 
Do you guys have any suggestions for a pistol safe with a combination lock? I was at Canadian tire today and didn't like that they're cabinets use a key lock -- too easy to lose or for kids to get ahold of. Small cabinet only required
 
Samson23 said:
Do you guys have any suggestions for a pistol safe with a combination lock? I was at Canadian tire today and didn't like that they're cabinets use a key lock -- too easy to lose or for kids to get ahold of. Small cabinet only required
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I'm looking for the same thing but haven't found anything secure enough. I would never have a key lock of any sort for a gun safe. That's why I won't buy anything with a digital lock as they almost always have a key backup.

Case in point, today I cleaned a bunch of my wife's office supplies off the top of my keylock hunting supplies cabinet. When our kids were at home (before I got in to hunting and firearms in general) it was the cabinet where we locked their x-box if they didn't do their school work.

The top of that cabinet hasn't been disturbed since before they grew up and moved out. I found several large paperclips that had been pounded flat with a hammer and used to pick the lock on that cabinet. It was a decent key lock on the cabinet. I have since changed the lock to a much more secure lock on the advice of a locksmith. To a youtube search on lock picking, it will frighten you how easy the average kid can pick a lock!
 
"found several large paperclips that had been pounded flat with a hammer and used to pick the lock on that cabinet."

Parenting is certainly a challenge. What became of this?

M
 
tranman said:
Came across this video, points out what you want in a safe and different uses.

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I saw that, and learned a lot.

Unfortunately, they didn't discuss anything smaller than a fridge - pretty hard to fit one of those in a condo.
 
gnmontey said:
"found several large paperclips that had been pounded flat with a hammer and used to pick the lock on that cabinet."

Parenting is certainly a challenge. What became of this?

M
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Well, since the offenders grew up and moved away a couple of years ago, the lock got changed for something more sturdy as advised by a locksmith. A deadbolt was also put on the room, however our daughter house sits for us, but she is adult now and has no reason to try and get in to that cabinet--her X-box isn't locked up in it.

And when they come by for Sunday supper we WILL have a discussion about it. If you are a parent or grandparent facing a similar challenge my locksmith advised that any lock is pickable, however ULC certified, circular keyed locks represent one of the best defense against picking. They can still be punched out and picked but if picking is a concern, they are your best bet.

He did advise that combo is the only way to really ensure it can't be picked but it isn't usually practical for cabinets and the like.

I'm sure I will get heck from lots of folks but key locks can be picked, combos are much harder.
 
dave37 said:
Well, since the offenders grew up and moved away a couple of years ago, the lock got changed for something more sturdy as advised by a locksmith. A deadbolt was also put on the room, however our daughter house sits for us, but she is adult now and has no reason to try and get in to that cabinet--her X-box isn't locked up in it.

And when they come by for Sunday supper we WILL have a discussion about it. If you are a parent or grandparent facing a similar challenge my locksmith advised that any lock is pickable, however ULC certified, circular keyed locks represent one of the best defense against picking. They can still be punched out and picked but if picking is a concern, they are your best bet.

He did advise that combo is the only way to really ensure it can't be picked but it isn't usually practical for cabinets and the like.

I'm sure I will get heck from lots of folks but key locks can be picked, combos are much harder.
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Your lock smith is wrong ;)

ww.abloy.ca/
 
Any safe, given the time, can be broken in to. i took the time to bolt my safe down to the concrete floor with 4, 6 inch bolts with aircraft grade washers above and below the bolts, and then bolted it in 4 places to the wall behind it, all mounts with strong anchors. If they can't tip it over they are faced with a real challenge.

Additionally the home is alarmed, and to go the extra bit I requested that the alarm monitoring company dispatch the police immediately upon alarm and not do the usual thing of calling and waiting and trying to get ahold of keyholders.

This paid off recently. We got a call at 4 am local time from the alarm company to inform us that they had dispatched police due to an alarm trigger. i just about #hit myself as i envisioned thieves trying to bust open my safe.

Instead the neighbour keyholder opened the front door for police, and they found how our daughter hadn't quite shut the garage door. At some point when the furnace kicked in it pulled the door a bit and the alarm went off. It cost us $130 for a false alarm but I'd rather pay that then allow a safe buster untold time to do his work.

I am discrete as a firearms owner but fact is when I get dropped off home after shooting clays, or step out of my truck and have to bring the hunting gear in the house via the garage door someone may see and use that for a criminal opportunity.

All of this hardening is great, but when you have housemates such as our daughter who house sits, the best you can do is vet the people allowed in your home, and work security accordingly. Above all IMHO is no key locks
 
dave37 said:
how is he wrong, I am very interested in a second opinion.
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Most standard locks can be picked or impressioned

Abloy use waffers and there is no way to find the shear line by picking "they are the few lock approved by the RCMP and CF for wpns locks.

You can cut them sure, but that will be a PITA and show signs of forced entry

Any lock can be broken into yes but not picked
 
Dsiwy said:
Most standard locks can be picked or impressioned

Abloy use waffers and there is no way to find the shear line by picking "they are the few lock approved by the RCMP and CF for wpns locks.

You can cut them sure, but that will be a PITA and show signs of forced entry
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I agree, most locks can be easily picked, it is why I prefer an old fashioned combo lock. And with layers of security that start with secure bolting of safes to alarmed entry one can almost ensure that if there is a break in the odds of the culprits breaching one's firearm safe are near nil?
 
dave37 said:
I agree, most locks can be easily picked, it is why I prefer an old fashioned combo lock. And with layers of security that start with secure bolting of safes to alarmed entry one can almost ensure that if there is a break in the odds of the culprits breaching one's firearm safe are near nil?
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Agreed :)
 
Just tell your kids that if they ever try to open the cabinet/safe/vault etc. that you'll dispense apocalyptic beat downs upon their short lived lives.

Fear is the ultimate lock!
 
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