CZ 858 with b&t ar magwell from wolverine supplies very disapointed

Because 10 is 10 times better than 5. It's not hard to figure out. The concept is sound and very desirable, particularly for anyone who likes to shoot 3 gun with their VZ.

The only problem is that the conversion is looking to be a problem.
 
The only problem is that the conversion is looking to be a problem.

Bingo!

I understand the desire for ten round mags. I just don't get wrecking a gun that works for a gun that kinda works. I'll take a gun that works 100% with fiver rounders over a ten round malfunctioning gun any day.
 
Bingo!

I understand the desire for ten round mags. I just don't get wrecking a gun that works for a gun that kinda works. I'll take a gun that works 100% with fiver rounders over a ten round malfunctioning gun any day.

You've completely missed what's happened here. No one sent their gun off to get "wrecked" or with the idea the conversion was a crap shoot.

Wolverine said they had a good, reliable system available. That's what folks were buying.
 
You've completely missed what's happened here. No one sent their gun off to get "wrecked" or with the idea the conversion was a crap shoot.

Wolverine said they had a good, reliable system available. That's what folks were buying.

I don't think it's me that missed the point.

I like wolverine. All of my dealings with them have been great. Just because they said something doesn't mean squat... How anybody could think this was a "good, reliable system" is beyond me. The mags are still so new that they are bound to have bugs. Machining off the feed ramp? I let you think about that.TWK
 
When the milling is done, most of the feed ramp is removed. This leaves a vertical, flat face that is just in front of the adapter and extends aprx. 1/8" above it.

As the bolt moves forward, the top round will lodge against the flat face if the tip of the bullet does not lift enough.

Is the failure to feed consistent or is this an intermittent problem? (and I don't just mean with the OP - is this being reported by others who have done the B&T adapter conversion.)

Speaking strictly about the CZ 858, after the milling is done and the feed ramp is mostly removed, will the CZ propriety mags still work or are you now bound to using the B&T magwell adapter and the XCR mags? (I understand the desirability of the 10 round mags over a pinned at 5 round CZ mag.)

Is the modification of the feed ramp a necessity for the fitting of the B&T adapter? Can the B&T adapter be redesigned so as not to require a modification of the feed ramp? I haven't seen the B&T adapter - does it incorporate a feed ramp to assist in the loading of the rounds when stripped by the bolt from the mag?

What about the XCR pistol 10 round mags - does the failure to feed occur because these mags are being used in a firearm they were not designed for? Can the XCR 10 round mags be modified to fix the failure to feed in the CZ 858 with the B&T adapter and still legally allow a 10 round capacity? (more spring tension perhaps.)
 
I don't think it's me that missed the point.

I like wolverine. All of my dealings with them have been great. Just because they said something doesn't mean squat... How anybody could think this was a "good, reliable system" is beyond me. The mags are still so new that they are bound to have bugs. Machining off the feed ramp? I let you think about that.TWK

They're a reliable, trusted dealer. When they said they had a good system, and that they test fired the guns to ensure function, it was perfectly believable. IMO, the only issue I see with Wolverine's process is that they're test firing with shop mags. I can see from my experience that with the right mags in the right gun, it will be near flawless, if not perfect.


fugawi,
My answers in red:

Is the failure to feed consistent or is this an intermittent problem? (and I don't just mean with the OP - is this being reported by others who have done the B&T adapter conversion.)

Of the five mags I have, 1 was perfect, 2 work 95%+, the other two are about 50% chance of getting through a mag without FTF. Oddly, the FTF are in consistent, yet different spots. IE, round 1 for one mag, rounds 6 and 8 for the other.

Speaking strictly about the CZ 858, after the milling is done and the feed ramp is mostly removed, will the CZ propriety mags still work or are you now bound to using the B&T magwell adapter and the XCR mags? (I understand the desirability of the 10 round mags over a pinned at 5 round CZ mag.)

Wolverine says they will, I never tried.


Is the modification of the feed ramp a necessity for the fitting of the B&T adapter? Can the B&T adapter be redesigned so as not to require a modification of the feed ramp? I haven't seen the B&T adapter - does it incorporate a feed ramp to assist in the loading of the rounds when stripped by the bolt from the mag?

Yes, it is. The mag is too long to avoid modifying that area. The adapter is a box, no feed ramp, nor is there room for one.

What about the XCR pistol 10 round mags - does the failure to feed occur because these mags are being used in a firearm they were not designed for? Can the XCR 10 round mags be modified to fix the failure to feed in the CZ 858 with the B&T adapter and still legally allow a 10 round capacity? (more spring tension perhaps.)

Tweaking the mags (follower, feed lips, spring) will make a difference. I tried lots of different thing with them. I did notice that due to the extra tilt the follower needs to have when loaded, the rear follower leg would sometimes get caught between spring coils.

The one mod I wasn't willing to attempt was to machine a notch on both sides of the remaining feed ramp. Think M4-style feed ramps. I think that would have eliminated the issue, providing the nose of the bullet still received enough lift to get in the chamber.
 
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Wolverine is a dealer I have no issue with them in fact I called and spoke to Rob and they are taking the rifle back with no hassle and giving me a refund.

I have lots off mags for an 858 CZ mags and lar mags none work the round doesn't get any lift to the chamber at all

And that would be from the feed ramp being 99 percent machined away

Thanks to Rob at wolverine for all his help

Cheers
 
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