mini 30 accuracy

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hi folks,ShowNoMercy here, gotta question. At the range last week sighting in my mini 30, older model,wood stock 3x9x40 Leupold glass and sleeping bag for a rest at 100 yrds. everything stock on gun no mods. anyways shot 8 rd. group, 7 rds. in 2 3/8 inches with the flyer opening up to 3 1/4 inches outside edge to outside edge. 3 of 8 in bull. Im a pretty decent shot, can i expect much more out of this set-up? I was thinking I might be able to squeeze out an extra quarter inch with proper sandbags/bipod. What do you all think? Opinions please?
 
I don't own one, but from what I've read that seems to be on the higher end of the rifles capabilities.

I've heard it be compared to the CZ 858-2 in terms of accuracy.
 
hi folks,ShowNoMercy here, gotta question. At the range last week sighting in my mini 30, older model,wood stock 3x9x40 Leupold glass and sleeping bag for a rest at 100 yrds. everything stock on gun no mods. anyways shot 8 rd. group, 7 rds. in 2 3/8 inches with the flyer opening up to 3 1/4 inches outside edge to outside edge. 3 of 8 in bull. Im a pretty decent shot, can i expect much more out of this set-up? I was thinking I might be able to squeeze out an extra quarter inch with proper sandbags/bipod. What do you all think? Opinions please?

What ammo were you using? Factory, surplus or reloads?
 
I just bought one and am waiting for it to arrive. I must admit I have only heard about their accuracy but I think the OP must have a very good version of the gun. I am expecting 3 - 5 inches and hoping for better with handloads.

If anyone has a good load and doesn't mind sharing I would like to have a starting point for my testing.
 
yes they arent anything special right out of the box. i was shooting 5-6 inch groups with decent ammo, and was sick of scattering bullets around so i looked into getting a barrel stabilizer like the accustrut but cant get em in canada they said. with the help of another member "theshaft" i made my own. it fits right over the barrel with a low tolerance and is held snug by sleeve retainer. its all aluminum so it weighs almost nothing. with my bushnell 3x9 i am shooting 2-2.5" groups on average and have done some 1.5" groups on occasion. it also helps with barrel heat to

here are some pics of it in my sparta stock and the ruger stock with just my red dot

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Was just out yesterday sighting in my .223 mini 14. Same results pretty much, the first few groups were around 2-2.5 after a few mags they spread to about 4-5 inch. lol
Was getting frustrated, the XCR was smokin it with 1-1.5 inch. What a difference in trigger and barrel. Why will they not sell the accu strut in Canada???
 
I've done much better than that with handloads. 1" groups can be had with the right ammo.
A proper benchrest will help a lot too.

Handloads are the way to go for sure. The fmj bullets you are using are not optimum for best accuracy. (Neither is a bipod, rest is preferable. :D)
Also, if it was me, I would contact this gentleman. He knows his minis and does a very professional trigger job on these rifles which is one of the keys to getting maximum accuracy out of them. He has done two of mine and they aren't the same rifle when you get them back. Quick turn around time and a very reasonable cost. Best investment of all if you want to improve your mini-30 accuracy. :ar15:
 
Was just out yesterday sighting in my .223 mini 14. Same results pretty much, the first few groups were around 2-2.5 after a few mags they spread to about 4-5 inch. lol
Was getting frustrated, the XCR was smokin it with 1-1.5 inch. What a difference in trigger and barrel. Why will they not sell the accu strut in Canada???

I have found the makers of both the Accustrut and the MoRod to be rather eccentric people to say the least. The fellow at Accustrut said his health was poor and so he couldn't ship to Canada. I have trouble figuring that out as he ships anywhere in the US. Must be more to it than that but that was what he told me in several emails and phone calls.

The fellow who sells the MoRod is similar. I managed to get two from him but he now won't ship. He held back my International Money Order for 2 weeks because he said he had to make sure it cleared the bank. He said he wasn't familiar with IMO's. I am glad I got them after all that but now I hear he only ships them in two pieces to keep them under $100 US. I don't know that this part is a restricted part for shipping out of the US but he says he is concerned the US government will go after him. I would think a simple phone call to find out on his part would settle it but that is the status.

Is your mini a newer model? All minis tend to heat up after rapid fire and the group will spread out. I do find the Mo Rod acts as a heat dissipator and I don't get the bullet spread after repeated shots.

Contact Le Jarret Noir on this forum if you want the best trigger job going on a mini.

Handloads will make a big difference. If you don't reload find someone who does if you really want your mini to shoot. Newer models tend to shoot better.
 
I agree with Rugerman- ammo makes a big difference. After a limited amount of testing the following shoots well in my rifles. For a bullet I suggest: Sierra 125 grn SPT (Pro Hunter) #2120. This is .308 diameter bullet, Rugers, at least the older models have a .308 diameter barrel not .311 barrels like SK's, AK's etc. I use Winchester brass, WLR primers and 25.2 grns of IMR 4198. The Sierra manual lists 25.0 grn of H4198 as the accuracy load but I have not tried it. The Sierra manual lists 25.4 of IMR 4198 and 25.5 of H4198 as max loads. These Sierra loads used a Mini 30 as the test rifle.
 
I just bought one and am waiting for it to arrive. I must admit I have only heard about their accuracy but I think the OP must have a very good version of the gun. I am expecting 3 - 5 inches and hoping for better with handloads.

If anyone has a good load and doesn't mind sharing I would like to have a starting point for my testing.
Please note, the OP said his was an older version of the Mini 30. Newer ones have better barrels. Not saying his isn't a good rifle, just saying newer ones have better accuracy potential. :D

123 gr. VMax bullet; WW case; LR Federal Match primer; 24.5 grs. of H4198
(Note: Start at 22.5 grs. H4198. While not max loadings these aren't starting loads either. These loads are safe in my rifle. Check carefully that they are also in yours!)
Reloader 7 is a good powder for this round.

There are a lot of negative opinions floating around about the Mini 30 and accuracy. Most aren't substantiated. You will find at least one in this thread already. The Mini 30 is good at what it was intended for. A quick to grab, quick to acquire a target, sturdy, dependable rifle that goes anywhere easily. You can achieve acceptable hunting accuracy or better with this round. The 7.62 x 39 has good knock down power for medium sized game, an improvement over the Mini 14. As it is, it will never be a tack driver however the stories and second hand opinions about it's poor accuracy are usually exaggerated- especially regarding the newer versions.

This is a 10 shot group shot at 110 yds with the Mini 30. Group size: 2.044 inches. This was prior to the trigger job and it shoots better now. I just don't have any pics of the new groups yet. 5 shot groups now are, on average, just over an inch.
Please note: This was a 10 shot group not a 3 or 5 shot group. 3 shot groups are a waste of time IMO, as you can get real lucky and think you have something going when you don't. 5 shot groups are a good indicator, 10 shot groups give you a real world idea of what your rifle is doing. Once again, my opinion, not necessarily everyone else's.
You can get Lapua brass for this cartridge if you are wiling to spend the extra $$. It really helps.
Hunting loads are averaging 2157 fps at the muzzle with the 123 gr. Hornady SP. These are not max loads.

Finally, I don't recommend shooting corrosive surplus through the Mini 30. I know that lots of guys do. Just not worth it to me. Components are cheap and easy to come by.
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@Rugerman

I punched alot of paper over the years and agree that a nice trigger is one of the most important things one can do to improve accuracy potential. What pound pull did you get on your ruger's? 3 lbs.or so? The only thing i got with a worse trigger pull than my ruger is my sks which goes lotta creep,lotta creep then bang just sayin!
 
The rifle I have coming in is an older version. I note Rugerman waving a finger in my direction but I defend myself by saying "that is what I have heard" I cannot speak from personal experience until mine arrives. And I think I was fairly clear on that.

Sorry thin skinned and overly sensitive these days.

I thank both Rugerman and hiredgun for posting load data. I look forward to all the loads listed.
 
I punched alot of paper over the years and agree that a nice trigger is one of the most important things one can do to improve accuracy potential. What pound pull did you get on your ruger's? 3 lbs.or so? The only thing i got with a worse trigger pull than my ruger is my sks which goes lotta creep,lotta creep then bang just sayin!

You know, I forget exactly what the pull weight is on them. I do know that we agreed it shouldn't be too light because it is for hunting. Jarret did my 6.8 as well. All I know is there is no more creep, the trigger breaks crisply and consistently. It was no exaggeration when I said it was like getting a new rifle. I sent him my trigger group from the one mini (you don't need to send the whole rifle) and then sent him the other one when I go it back. I picked up my mini 30 prior to sending in the second trigger for work and forgot that I had put the new trigger set in my other mini. I tried firing it and thought I had left the safety on. Pulled and pulled . . . Then I realized I was using the "old" trigger. That much difference. Best money I spent on a mini. :D
 
yes they arent anything special right out of the box. i was shooting 5-6 inch groups with decent ammo, and was sick of scattering bullets around so i looked into getting a barrel stabilizer like the accustrut but cant get em in canada they said. with the help of another member "theshaft" i made my own. it fits right over the barrel with a low tolerance and is held snug by sleeve retainer. its all aluminum so it weighs almost nothing. with my bushnell 3x9 i am shooting 2-2.5" groups on average and have done some 1.5" groups on occasion. it also helps with barrel heat to

here are some pics of it in my sparta stock and the ruger stock with just my red dot
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How did you mount the bipod? I've been trying to find a bottom rail for my sparta stock but haven't been able to track one down.Interested in making me a strut?:D
 
yes they arent anything special right out of the box. i was shooting 5-6 inch groups with decent ammo, and was sick of scattering bullets around so i looked into getting a barrel stabilizer like the accustrut but cant get em in canada they said. with the help of another member "theshaft" i made my own. it fits right over the barrel with a low tolerance and is held snug by sleeve retainer. its all aluminum so it weighs almost nothing. with my bushnell 3x9 i am shooting 2-2.5" groups on average and have done some 1.5" groups on occasion. . .
here are some pics of it in my sparta stock and the ruger stock with just my red dot

Wow, nice work there, Moser. How do you like your Sparta stock? Did you do before and after accuracy tests with your "shaft"?
 
I have found the makers of both the Accustrut and the MoRod to be rather eccentric people to say the least. The fellow at Accustrut said his health was poor and so he couldn't ship to Canada. I have trouble figuring that out as he ships anywhere in the US. Must be more to it than that but that was what he told me in several emails and phone calls.

The fellow who sells the MoRod is similar. I managed to get two from him but he now won't ship. He held back my International Money Order for 2 weeks because he said he had to make sure it cleared the bank. He said he wasn't familiar with IMO's. I am glad I got them after all that but now I hear he only ships them in two pieces to keep them under $100 US. I don't know that this part is a restricted part for shipping out of the US but he says he is concerned the US government will go after him. I would think a simple phone call to find out on his part would settle it but that is the status.

Is your mini a newer model? All minis tend to heat up after rapid fire and the group will spread out. I do find the Mo Rod acts as a heat dissipator and I don't get the bullet spread after repeated shots.

Contact Le Jarret Noir on this forum if you want the best trigger job going on a mini.

Handloads will make a big difference. If you don't reload find someone who does if you really want your mini to shoot. Newer models tend to shoot better.
Very informative, many thanks. Mine is an older model, and I heard about the heat for the pencil barrels making them a little random in grouping when heated. The trigger is less then spectacualar, let me tell you, compared to my XCR it feels like (you said it best) the safety is on.
Sorry to hijack op's original question.;)
 
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