Interesting problem... Am I on track here? What do you think.

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I went to the range to put a few rounds through my new to me lee enfield no4 mkII. It is post war produced and almost new in terms of condition, so I'm thinking the rifle is not my issue here.

All I had for ammunition was some handloads made up of new Winchester brass, 42 grains of R15, and 125g Sierra that I had on hand. It is my accuracy load in a different .303 I have.

My accuracy was wierd to say the least. I was getting shots that were vertically accurate but they were stringing into two groups about 5" apart. Also my cases were really black around the neck and I was even getting blowback into the action with a couple rounds. They looked like this;

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I do have faith in the gun though, because non of my other firefirmed .303 brass will come close to entering this chamber.
My theory is that the 125 grain bullets were to light to cause any significant pressure, resulting in the brass not expanding enough to fill the chamber. Also because the bullets are so short, I also theorize that the gasses are escaping around the bullet because the ogive would maybe not be in contact with the grooves before the base of the bullet left the case... That is the other thing, the brass is short. I usually trim my brass long, but this batch of Winchester required me to trim to .10" shorter than usual. I only neck sized the new brass before trimming also.

My plan is to try to find some 150-180g bullets and anneal the partially fire formed brass in the hope that I get a good chamber seal and adequate pressure. Also to reduce gas blowing by the bullet.

Does this seem logical? Would anyone else try something different?
 
If it was me, I'd start with fireforming a few brass without any lead involved, then measure and see what the shells are coming out as.

As long as those results were satisfactory, then yes, I'd be looking towards a slightly hotter or heavier load to try and get a quicker seal between the brass and the chamber.

You should find that fireformed brass won't have this problem once they are reloaded if you are gentle with the neck sizing.

Also, if you like the lighter rounds you are using now, you may want to think about crimping them to try building a touch more pressure as well.
 
Imagnus, How do I fireform without using bullets? Also I did crimp my bullets in.

I just broke down and bought a box of federal 180 grain loaded ammo. Not one gunstore in Nanaimo has any .303 Brit bullets for reloading... If these workout, I'll try some 125's in the fireformed brass, and if it still doesn't work well I'll pick up some 180's next time I'm in Vancouver.
 
If it was me, I'd start with fireforming a few brass without any lead involved, then measure and see what the shells are coming out as.

As long as those results were satisfactory, then yes, I'd be looking towards a slightly hotter or heavier load to try and get a quicker seal between the brass and the chamber.

You should find that fireformed brass won't have this problem once they are reloaded if you are gentle with the neck sizing.

Also, if you like the lighter rounds you are using now, you may want to think about crimping them to try building a touch more pressure as well.

Fireforming is exactly what I was thinking as well.
 
Don't fool around fireforming cases. Just put together standard loads. Any load that will produce around 2400fps with a 180, or a bit higher with a 150 will cause the cases to set up properly. After that, necksize as long as the cases chamber freely.
 
I would suggest that your load may be a little light. The Alliant website recipe for that size bullet is 48 gr of Reloader 15 (which is what I think you're using).
 
That's exactly what my .303 brass looks like when I load my rounds too light.

I may be wrong but I think its caused by the pressure being too low to cause the brass to expand and seal to the chamber, thus allowing hot gas to flow backwards. Annealing would make your brass softer, there's no denying that, so it could potentially help.
 
Imagnus, How do I fireform without using bullets? Also I did crimp my bullets in.

I just broke down and bought a box of federal 180 grain loaded ammo. Not one gunstore in Nanaimo has any .303 Brit bullets for reloading... If these workout, I'll try some 125's in the fireformed brass, and if it still doesn't work well I'll pick up some 180's next time I'm in Vancouver.

Ask and you shall receive dude, gone fishin brings in whatever I need. Just order through them.
 
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