What is this rifle ?????

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Hi Guys,

This is a rifle I aquired years ago from the estate of an old friend.

I really have no idea of what is is other than a reworked 98 mauser. I have no idea of the caliber or who made it. There appeared to be scope mounts on it at some point in it's life. It has "set triggers", leaf rear sight and mag cover that can be removed. The barrel is ribbed and goes from a round to hex configguration.

It does not appear to the work of "Bubba". What would something like this be worth?

Best regards,

B

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Those bubba guns aren't worth a dime. (lol!)

Can you carefully remove the barreled action from the stock by taking great care of not chipping or scaling the stock and not burring the action screw heads?.
The manufacturer's name / code may well be under the woodline, hidden (so is the caliber). That's a German rifle, for sure, and I guess for a 8X57JS, maybe a 9X57.



The 2.5g G.B.P. was used between 1898 and 1912 and it means the gun was proofed with 2.5g (38.5 grains) of flaked smokeless powder.

Under it, you should find St. M.G. which stands for steel jacketed bullet.
 
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Yes, it's M/98, it can well be a "guild gun" or a "big surface" hunting / fishing store of the days, but without the manufacturer's code, we can't be 100% sure of who made it.
 
Nice old rifle! My guess is that is is the "S" bore 8mm - 0.323" because of the S engraved on the recover. But it could be chambered 8x57S, or 8x60S or some other variant, you could only tell for sure with a chamber cast made from ferrosafe.
I would also guess that it originally had claw mounts on the bridge and ring, and the Parker Hale dovetail base was a more recent modification.
Love the octagon and ribbed barrel!
 
EEEYUUUUUUUCK!!!! Hideous, just hideous! What a dreadful, battered-up old thing. Fortunately for you I'm slowly building up a collection of such monstrosities and can relieve you of the embarrassment out of having to look at it. PM me with your address and I'll cover the shipping out to BC.:p:p:p

OK, I guess that won't work so I'll have to tell the truth and say you have a very lovely old rifle there, probably a "guild" rifle, as Baribal has said, built on a military action. That front P-H scope block inset in the dovetail is interesting.

Please do disassemble it carefully and see what other markings are on it. Then clean it up, load up some ammo, go shooting and give us a range report, with pics.

:) Stuart
 
Well off the top of my head, it's english, hence Parker Hale and Prince of Wales grip, probably made in Birmingham, England. However not often the English made rifles with double set triggers. Could you find any proof marks on the gun and send photos of them on this thread.
 
The proofmarks are definitely German. The rifle well may have transited in the British trade, hence the P-H mounts, but it was assembled and Proof tested in Germany.
 
track said:
Well off the top of my head, it's english, hence Parker Hale and Prince of Wales grip, probably made in Birmingham, England. However not often the English made rifles with double set triggers. Could you find any proof marks on the gun and send photos of them on this thread.
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This is like finding a set of Redfield scope bases on an early model 98 Mauser and declaring it is American made.

BARIBAL is correct as to this one. German proof marks, "S" bore, typical German barrel and magazine release lever, double set triggers and those little details that shout "German" all over it.

Be careful when you disassemble it. That rectangular hole in the forestock should have a locking wedge to hold down the barrel. If you can see daylight through it, the wedge is missing, but if you can not see through it, that is a good indication of something inside attached to the barrel. If you force it upwards with a lock in it, it will split the forestock.
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I would say that at one time that rifle had claw mounts, going by the imprint on the rear receiver ring. Someone decided to switch to something less pricey, hence the mounting holes, that PH thingy replaced the original front claw mt. Many Germanic rifles had "POW" grips. I'd would guess it's German made, I have a couple that are similar. JMHO --- John303.
 
John303 said:
I would say that at one time that rifle had claw mounts, going by the imprint on the rear receiver ring. Someone decided to switch to something less pricey, hence the mounting holes, that PH thingy replaced the original front claw mt. Many Germanic rifles had "POW" grips. I'd would guess it's German made, I have a couple that are similar. JMHO --- John303.
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The rifle has been aged on here, as being built prior to 1912.
In that case it didn't come from the factory with any type of scope mounts!
The holes have been drilled and the P-H thing installed later. Too bad.
 
That sure looks like a Brno double set trigger set up.
I would bet either Huey or Duey on it.
I agree with H on the Parker Hale sight dove tail filler.
Has a beauty all of it's own.
 
Baribal said:
I personally wouldn't bet against a Genschow / GECO....
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Possible as Gustav Genschow was formed in 1912. I have a 1919 one and the name GECO is in a rectangular box on the right side of the front of the action.

I am wondering if we are misreading something here. With being near the serial number, how about the "S" being the maker? And then, there is that "chicken" on the right 45 degree barrel flat just ahead of the receiver ring.

Any sporting rifle made in England would have prominent English proof marks visible on the barrel. If imported or exported, it would have had to be proofed and stamped.
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