Norinco.. I don't get it

This Nork vs. the rest of the world discussions will never end.

In the meantime, I am glad there are Nork detractors because thanks to them, resale value is low for these bad boys and I got my Commander for embarassingly cheap. My other Nork 1911s are simply cheap.

Please continue to broadcast how poor the fit and finish and how unreliable and how they kaboom...whatever. I could use a few more cheap Nork 1911s.
 
Really, almost everything sold here and in the USA is made in China. So I think this was a move to protect their firearms industry.
 
While crossing the boarder, a US custom officer asked what 1911 I have. I answered the Norinco. The guy answered "oh, those were are pistols, too bad we can't get them anymore."
Clearly for those who actually gives a ####, they are aware of the norinco brand.
 
If anything it seems like the price of the gun is the main issue. Myself, I'm more on the side of you pay for what you get. "mmattockx"'s post possibly made the most sense to me. Why dump a bunch of money for a gun the majority of the firearms community in Canada will only be using for target practice and paper punching. I guess if the situation was a little more different, who knows...

Thanks for the insight and information all... We can end the debate on this post, as I'm sure it will rage on. To each their own, no point in in-fighting about an individuals preferences

On a side note, have any of you heard of the term "TACTARD".....Hehehe
 
They serve a budget market and are supposed to be reliable. Even the Norinco AR copies are supposed to be cosmetically challenged but reliable.

Personally, I usually spend more for something mid/higher end...
 
JAGDMORDER said:
My Norc SKS blew hot powder back in my face. It was sold after the first trip to the range, so maybe I am still a little jaded. I also do not "try" and buy things from China, but that is my issue .:D
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Their products are hit and miss, I was only commenting on the Norc 1911's. The 1911's, the SIG clones and the CQ-A AR are great value products. Some of the others are junk and I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.

I understand the issue with buying Chinese and can respect that, but it is a separate problem from the actual quality of the products themselves.


Mark
 
Norinco..crap low grade AND dangerous because of lame steel ,,pm and i will take these burdens off your hands for no charge to you ..i and if you contact me in the next 20 min ,ll even pay the shipping,. :)
 
bdogg said:
the guys in the USA would love to get their hands on the 1911 Norcs,I frequent a US 1911 forum and they speak highly of the Norcs and wanting them.....
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I've seen a lot of such references as well. In particular they want the frames and slides as the steel is of a more durable quality than many other 1911's short of those in the higher price bracket.

One such thread titled something along the lines of "Let's Build The Ultimate 1911" had the Norc frame and slide showing up in more than a few posts as valid for such a parts built ultimate gun. While there were alternate options not one US based poster said not to use it due to it being cheap ChiCom Junk and not worthy.

Obviously Chinese quality is always up for grabs. But apparently enough good Norinco 1911's made it into the US that they are well regarded down there.
 
mmattockx said:
Yes, they are lower cost than any other 1911. But, if the quality was commensurate with the cost they wouldn't have the following they do. What they really offer is value far beyond their price. Pick up an Armco tuned Norc for $479 and you have a gun that is not equalled for less than $1000.

Now consider what type of shooting the vast majority of gun owners do in Canada. No CCW, no wilderness carry, range only plinking and some possible competition shooting (usually at a very non-serious, hobby level). For 95+% of the shooters, a Norc is more capable than they are and offers 99% of the performance of much more expensive guns. The serious shooters buy what they want/need for a lot more money while the duffers (myself included) are very well served by a Norc for far less money.

Great value, solid performance and low cost. THAT is why they are so popular.

Mark
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In general I agree, but I would also tend to say that while I think they are good value, their popularity relates less to their value than their cost.

An Armco tuned norc is definitely a great pistol...but I think that a surprisingly small number of gun owners will ever really discover the difference between a quality 1911 and a cheap one. Most people just don't shoot enough to learn why a quality 1911 is worth having.

That is not to say there isn't a quality aspect to Norinco 1911s...just that most people don't actually appreciate them much beyond the $325 price tag.
 
Up here, you're not going to get a better pistol for the price.

If you can tell me where to get a NEW 1911A1 for the same money as a Norc, please do so. I'll be buying it toot sweet.:D
 
mmattockx said:
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Now consider what type of shooting the vast majority of gun owners do in Canada. No CCW, no wilderness carry, range only plinking and some possible competition shooting (usually at a very non-serious, hobby level). For 95+% of the shooters, a Norc is more capable than they are and offers 99% of the performance of much more expensive guns. The serious shooters buy what they want/need for a lot more money while the duffers (myself included) are very well served by a Norc for far less money.

Great value, solid performance and low cost. THAT is why they are so popular.

Mark
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Absolutely right IMHO. I currently own three Norcs and sold a fourth some time ago. All were solid, reliable and accurate. Which is more than I can say about the last couple of S&Ws I've owned.
 
misanthropist said:
In general I agree, but I would also tend to say that while I think they are good value, their popularity relates less to their value than their cost.

An Armco tuned norc is definitely a great pistol...but I think that a surprisingly small number of gun owners will ever really discover the difference between a quality 1911 and a cheap one. Most people just don't shoot enough to learn why a quality 1911 is worth having.

That is not to say there isn't a quality aspect to Norinco 1911s...just that most people don't actually appreciate them much beyond the $325 price tag.
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That is probably fair. Personally, I like them for the value, but a lot of people tend to change guns like socks and like the price more than anything else.


Mark
 
superN35 said:
As the title states. Can anyone enlighten me as to why these things have so much popularity in the Canadian gun community. The reason why I'm asking is because I was talking "shop" so to speak with my cousin in Las Vegas and he has never heard of the brand. So he goes to his gun shop as well as Bass Pro and most of the responses pretty much were, they have never heard of the brand or stay away from it.

So..

Thanks for any enlightening responses....
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It's basic economics Sir.
Do I want to pay $1500 + for a Springfield M1A or do I want to pay $400 bucks for a Norinco on which I can swap the sights, tune myself and have it shoot just as good if not better than an M1A out of the box?
American gun shop owners saying they have "never heard of it, stay away from it" translates to : "I have never seen one, fired one, have any knowledge of them, don't even realize that they are almost impossible to bring into the states, so they must be junk" is about as close to the textbook definition of ignorance you can get without opening a book my friend :D
 
mmattockx said:
Their products are hit and miss, I was only commenting on the Norc 1911's. The 1911's, the SIG clones and the CQ-A AR are great value products. Some of the others are junk and I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.

I understand the issue with buying Chinese and can respect that, but it is a separate problem from the actual quality of the products themselves.


Mark
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Albeit , the 1911 has caught my eye. That actually may be my first pistol now as I have heard nothing bad about the pistol. Maybe the newer production stuff is a little better quality, to be fair my experience with Norcs was years back.
 
JAGDMORDER said:
Albeit , the 1911 has caught my eye. That actually may be my first pistol now as I have heard nothing bad about the pistol. Maybe the newer production stuff is a little better quality, to be fair my experience with Norcs was years back.
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Jagmorder,

If you're in the market for a low-priced (or first) 1911, get your preferred configuration of a Norinco 1911. Functional, reliable, affordable, and the newer ones are pretty.

You won't be sorry.

M.
 
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