El Fako Nagant Snipers??

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So...there are a lot of these around lately

What does one look for?....are all the scopes/mounts from the same maker?.....are all the put-together rifles from the same maker?

WHAT ARE THEY WORTH?....WHAT DO THEY SELL FOR?

What if-the scope and mount are genuine original but bolted to a non-sniper 91/30?

thankyou for your input!....
 
"Fake" usually implies that you are attempting to deceive. Most out there are replicas. Made from a 91/30 with repo scopes. Whether they are x sniper one never knows but remember, it's a replica. If the bore is good it should shoot well.
 
points said:
"Fake" usually implies that you are attempting to deceive. Most out there are replicas. Made from a 91/30 with repo scopes. Whether they are x sniper one never knows but remember, it's a replica. If the bore is good it should shoot well.
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+1 yes, a fake would be like you got something made in China, gun scope and all and someone passed it off as real. The rifles pesented here are mosin rifles with high quality repro scopes, and are described as such. no problem!
 
You can tell an ex sniper from a regular mosin.

My mosin is an ex sniper. Its got the arsenal repair to the stock, filled in scope mount holes, as well as a grinded down section of the reciever where the scope serial # used to be.

With scoped ex snipers the only evidence you can go on is the presence of the scope serial # on the reciever or the grinded down remains of it. Although even this can be faked (although not often, and you can potentially tell by rebluing). If you are interested in a quality repro of an ex mosin my cousin got his from westrifle, and its good stuff at a great price.
 
You can always tell a MN sniper from the serial number on the left hand side of the receiver just above the wood.Look at the style of the lettering it should match the style of the rifles serial #.I have yet to find a rifle that the serial # matches the scope or the rifle.I have a sniper that I bought back in the 80's that the rifle and scopes serial# put it into 1941 production yet do not match. The stock is in too good of shape to have gone through some of the bitterest fighting of the war so I think It was a refurb.All said and done this was way before there was such a interest in these fine old rifles so I think it's a genuine example.
 
mr.e moose said:
You can always tell a MN sniper from the serial number on the left hand side of the receiver just above the wood.
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No, not really. Izhevsk arsenal marked barrels (not receivers), at the chamber, with sniper scope #s, but that wasn't done with Tulas. The barrel of a sniper will have other marks that will confirm its having been at least approved for use on a sniper rifle.
 
There's one in the EE right now. The seller says the base is not at right angles to the bore and it came that way from the company that puts them together.

Be aware that machined bases are now being made in China that look much like the Russian ones.

Original rifles will have the cyrillic "SP" sniper marking on the barrel "сп"

Best info on these is here:ht tp://www.mosinnagant.net/sniper%20section/Red-Star-Snipers.asp
 
Having an x sniper does not mean it is an acurate weapon. When a sniper grade rifle wore out below standard, it was declassified and put back into regular service.
 
With every repro scope I've ever seen, when you adjust the turrets it's the sight picture that moves under a stationary reticle like a modern scope. On an original, the reticle moves over a stationary sight picture so it is off center.
 
Nyles said:
Really? I believe you, but I've never come across one. I'll have to look closer next gun show.
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My repro PU has the older style scope whereby the reticle shifts in the still FOV. You can tell if you need to grind/shim your mount based on where your reticle sits in relation to the center of your FOV.
 
points said:
Having an x sniper does not mean it is an acurate weapon. When a sniper grade rifle wore out below standard, it was declassified and put back into regular service.
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While that's true, if the bore is in nice shape, then chances are it fell into the other group that was converted to infantry rifles when the Soviets downsized their sniper #s.

Also, in addition to your point, the Soviet refurb program made a real dog's breakfast of some rifles, adding parts from all different years. We've got a 44 Tula ex-sniper hardware (#s matching) with a laminated Tula infantry stock & some 1930's style screwed in sling hole covers.

Also, some barrels that were approved for use on sniper rifles, were instead used on infantry rifles when sniper quotas were already met. So sometimes you'll see a sniper barrel on an infantry rifle that has a receiver with no scope mount holes filled in. Its also possible that some sniper barrel were paired with infantry receiver in refurb.
 
As far as I can tell, there is very little to no way to be 100% sure as to wether a Mosin was used as a sniper.
Do what I did, just shop for one until you find one in great condition with the best bore you can find, get it recrowned for cheap and she'll shoot like a "sniper" rifle at a much cheaper cost man.
 
this all makes my point...

repro gun-repro scope

apparently there are differnet scopes-and mounts MAY come from different locations

as already stated-what would a repro sniper be worth assuming the scope and mount are genuine war time...?

what is a total repro worth?....

just curious....I may want to get another sniper simply as a shooter but am concerned about values and what to look for
 
Assuming you can't find an original sniper, and plan to 'remake' a mosin into a sniper, there are few different ways you could go, and some are more 'authentic' than others. I think the primary thing that makes a Mosin sniper is the barrel. No genuine Mosin sniper used a barrel that wasn't first approved for use on a sniper rifle. So assuming a person wants matching #s, starting with an ex-sniper and making it a sniper rifle again, makes the most sense.

As for the value/cost of reproduction Mosin snipers, I think West Rifle is selling them for around $500. I read some place that genuine snipers are (or can be) closer to $1000.
 
Most rifles have to shoot thousands of rounds before it becomes so inaccurate that it cannot be a sniper.Could Smellie or Claven2 chime in on this?
 
I bought one with a post war scope, from a board member here.

The stock looks like it was dragged through every mud hole and sandlot in Europe.

The scope and mount, look like new but supposedly they were actual Hungarian built units for these rifles.

That comes from two so called experts. I don't know.

I paid $800 for the rifle which is authentic, with mounted scope.

The rifle looks like it should go back for an FTR but the bore is almost perfect and it shoots all available weights of bullets into nice tight little 1 1/2 inch groups at 200m.

I suspect this is somewhat about what you are asking?

If your rifle has the original scope, from WWII, either the PU or the PE, you should send it to someone like Wheaty on this site, for a refurb. The cork seals will have started to oxidize and will come apart with the first few shots. I've even heard of the lenses falling out but I've never seen it happen.
 
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