Request: lightweight 'survival rifle'.

CanAm said:
I have one in my safe, I don't need pics/specs, i need drawings to machine from, tolerances, etc, etc. :)
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Tell the Chinese factory to ship their engineerer plus a draftman to Canada to produce the blue print for the CanaM-6, I think it's cheaper than hiring someone to do it here...:D

I myself too like the M-6, but the trigger design really turn me down...
 
"Probably better to describe what role you want the rifle to fit. can the OP describe 'Survival' ? Is it to kill rabbits if you get lost hiking ? - then take a slingshot (weighs less than a pound). If it's to protect yourself from a bear, these .22's aren't gonna do it unless you stick it in its mouth and shoot through it's lower skull AND get lucky."[/QUOTE]


yes, what are you trying to survive? if it's a food shortage and you're out in the woods to bag a few bunnies then by all means a .22 would be fine, but if you're in the wilderness and there is the very real threat of bear and wolf attacks do you want to trust your life, and perhaps the lives of your wife and kids, to a .22??? :(
now is the .308 starting to look a bit better? and how come no one has suggested a short barrel 12ga pump? fairly compact, and the applications can be varied by carrying a variety of ammo. i don't think too many would argue the stopping ability of a full power slug for bear. for bunnies and birds a load of birdshot would work fine. and what's a Griz go for? $310?

i'm all for a .22 in the collection, but to trust your life to one? no way.
 
now is the .308 starting to look a bit better? and how come no one has suggested a short barrel 12ga pump? fairly compact, and the applications can be varied by carrying a variety of ammo. i don't think too many would argue the stopping ability of a full power slug for bear. for bunnies and birds a load of birdshot would work fine. and what's a Griz go for? $310?
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i have many short .308s and 12 gauges, three Grizzlies - ive owned them for many years. the fact that people are still looking for a compact 'backpackable' .22 indicates that there is an obvious niche that has yet to be filled by either of these. there are many places i dont take these guns but where i would happily stuff a light takedown .22 into a backpack.

if you prefer a short .308, or a short 12ga - by all means buy one. CanAm sells the latter, and Ruger and Savage make the former.

id like a lightweight, compact takedown .22 that i can slip into either a frame pack or a day-pack for hiking, backpacking, etc. along with ~50 rnds of ammo. the equivalent in a 12ga would weigh over twice as much and be far more bulky. the point is to have a backpacking gun that is light, compact and unobtrusive: not to have something that takes up half your pack, and therefore gets left at home.

the 10/22 takedown still leaves a lot to be desired, as its basically a full-sized 10/22 that simply splits in half. youre still stuck with the sh*tty Ruger stock, and its 21" long when broken down, over 37" when assembled, has garbage sights and scope mounting on a 10/22 - especially a takedown - has its own issues. a hinge action could be manufactured much smaller, and be potentially far more accurate and robust.
 
manbearpig said:
i have many short .308s and 12 gauges, three Grizzlies - ive owned them for many years. the fact that people are still looking for a compact 'backpackable' .22 indicates that there is an obvious niche that has yet to be filled by either of these. there are many places i dont take these guns but where i would happily stuff a light takedown .22 into a backpack.

if you prefer a short .308, or a short 12ga - by all means buy one. CanAm sells the latter, and Ruger and Savage make the former.

id like a lightweight, compact takedown .22 that i can slip into either a frame pack or a day-pack for hiking, backpacking, etc. along with ~50 rnds of ammo. the equivalent in a 12ga would weigh over twice as much and be far more bulky. the point is to have a backpacking gun that is light, compact and unobtrusive: not to have something that takes up half your pack, and therefore gets left at home.

the 10/22 takedown still leaves a lot to be desired, as its basically a full-sized 10/22 that simply splits in half. youre still stuck with the sh*tty Ruger stock, and its 21" long when broken down, over 37" when assembled, has garbage sights and scope mounting on a 10/22 - especially a takedown - has its own issues. a hinge action could be manufactured much smaller, and be potentially far more accurate and robust.
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Agreed that a 22 in your hand is worth more than a 12 gauge back at home. I would be interested in this as well.

I was actually looking at a papoose myself, but they seem to be getting pretty rare, and i would be worried that the marlin QC problems might extend to new production papooses as well.

There is a lot to recommend the break action. The rossi would be great, especially in the 20/22lr combo, but as was mentioned there are some weak points.

I know this is the Canam forum, but if they are unable to get a production run put together, i wonder if conacting rossi might be a next step. Let them know what you see as weak points in their design and ask if they would be interested in a limited run.

I would think that it would relatively easy for them to sub in some metal parts to test the market, the barrel would likely have to be 16 inches though to keep the domestic and export paperwork easier for them.

That said, if Canam can put this together, I would certainly be interested depending on the price point....
 
from my few experiences with Rossi, i wouldnt hold my breath. they have a habit of sh*tting the bed with regards to delivering their factory product, by the time they got anything going on a custom id be blind and bedridden.

That said, if Canam can put this together, I would certainly be interested depending on the price point....
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price point is one thing i really dont worry about with CanAm. they consistently bring us unique products at very fair prices.
 
manbearpig said:
price point is one thing i really dont worry about with CanAm. they consistently bring us unique products at very fair prices.
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Agreed, which reminds me I have to start chewing through that case of 7.62x51 they just sent me. :) :ar15:
 
henry ar7

I am not sure if anyone has mentioned the henry ar-7 it is a good price and very light. Its also waterresistant when taken down. Sorry for spelling or crammed this is from a phone.
http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm
 
I agree with OP on all counts, break action rimfire with decent irons. I bought a scout to fill the niche, as a bolt is more desirable to me than the semi papoose I had, but the irons are better on a marlin. (a marlin youth botl would be a good cheaper option, but I love CZ's)
My .20g backpacker would be great if I had a rifled .22 sleeve for it that was accurate, but I believe the poi for them leaves much to be desired.

.22lr is unquestionably a good survival round in every respect except defence. Light and compact, and if you are hungry in the woods you will be looking for game like squirrels and partridge. No brainer.
 
no intended slighting of your choice of .22, Manbearpig [and others]. i just figure in a survival situation defense would be high on the list. sure, a .22 is better than nothing, but if you have the foresight to arm yourself wouldn't the gun that covers more bases be the best choice? the weight difference between a .22 and a short barreled 12ga shouldn't be enough to cause you to compromise your safety.
the question still remains, what survival situation are you envisioning?
 
I love MBP's idea with one alteration, throw on a rifled .410 barrel under the .22 barrel, with a choke along the lines of what H&R is doing with their survival rifle. Having the option of .22, .410 with something like an improved choke, and .44 mag all in one light break action rifle would really add some big flexibility, in my mind.
 
truenorth777 said:
no intended slighting of your choice of .22, Manbearpig [and others]. i just figure in a survival situation defense would be high on the list. sure, a .22 is better than nothing, but if you have the foresight to arm yourself wouldn't the gun that covers more bases be the best choice? the weight difference between a .22 and a short barreled 12ga shouldn't be enough to cause you to compromise your safety.
the question still remains, what survival situation are you envisioning?
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I can think of two personally.

First, I am out hunting moose and a motor breaks down. I end up spending two or three days waiting for someone to realize there is a problem, and come get me. A squirrel or partridge would go a long way towards quieting the rumbling in my belly and help me concentrate, but the 300wm I am carrying would nearly evaporate anything I might find to eat.

Second, I am out wandering the wilds of northern ontario on foot. I dont feel like having a conversation with a tree cop about the following section of the hunting regs, so leave my centrefire/12g slugs at home....

If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an open
season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may not possess
or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400 foot-pounds or
shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than No. 2 shot (or
if using non-toxic shot, you may not use steel shot larger than
triple BBB steel shot, or bismuth shot that is larger than double
BB bismuth shot), unless you possess a valid licence to hunt
deer, moose, elk or black bear as the case may be.
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I get lost for a few days, feel like eating, you get the picture....

I suppose that black bear defence isn't super high on my list of priorities, but in the first case, I have a gun that could handle the job. In the second case, meh? I suppose we could have a bear defence thread in the Canam forum, but it seems kind of rude to Canam.

You can start that thread somewhere else, I'll be right there, I swear :p
 
For defense, 22 is a bad choice. For "eating small game survival", its ideal. You can't eat a bunny you obliterated with a 12ga and you can carry thousands of rounds of 22 in the same weight as less than 100 shells.

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I'd use a Stevens 305F in .22 Mag. Solid, reliable action with 13" barrel
and light weight. Damn accurate little buggers that are easy to tune
both stock and trigger. Also easy to swap out the sights for something
more to the shooter's preference.
I love the one I have, but it wears a Boyd's laminate stock which
bumped up the weight a fair bit. :cool:
 
I like the idea of the TC G2. (In stainless would be better i suppose.) The price wouldn't put me off. I just don't know about reliability. Is there a lot of people out there who shoot these lots? to confirm they'll hold up?


Duffy said:
What about a:

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barrel comes without sights, have a gun smith shorten the barrel and put on what ever sight system you would like.

A .44 mag. tube would be nice.
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again the TC Contender is a big, expensive gun. i would not spend $1000 on a gun, then $400 on another barrel, $200+ to have some sights smithed on, and then start taking a hacksaw to the stock. thats not really a realistic scenario.
what i would much rather do is buy a $300-400 gun from CanAm, which i dont have to feel bad about beating the sh*t out of.

i just figure in a survival situation defense would be high on the list.
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defense from what? Ze Germans? :D
im in Ontario, we have black bears -- theyre like big fat dogs. if a .22LR doesnt send it scurrying then ill pull a Jim West and beat it to death with the empty rifle :D this is why an 'all-steel made in China special' would rock :dancingbanana:


on a more serious note i want something i can stuff in my pack and carry around with me when im hiking, backpacking, etc. something compact enough that i wont notice its there when i dont need it, and can assemble into a simple, robust, reliable, accurate gun when i do. i have yet to find something ideal. i am well aware of the Papoose, AR-7, Mini Bolt, Chipmunk, 10/22 takedown, 10" 10/22 barrels, etc etc but none of these guns are even close to ideal.
 
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