grizzly 8.5

mobgma said:
I have fired about 50 shots through mine. Basically the little time I do have with my 8.5 I did not find this to be a problem as I am 6' 3" with monkey arms and Jack Skellington hands.

Now that I am aware of this potential problem (the other thing to be weary of is muzzle direction with it being so short) though I will definitely be watching out for myself and other when this 8.5 is in use. It is easy to forget something as little as this.

I do not think I will be doing this mod though. My .02 cents (with ain't worth crap)is I believe education, awareness and common sense come into play here. That is not to say that this mod should not be considered by others.
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Taking in concerns what you said, everything works as long as you shoot your shotgun in non-stressful situations, like target shooting or hunting.

When you use it for self-defense like against predator animals or intruders, "education, awareness and commons sense" goes right out the window. Trust me.
All your "fine motor-skill" fly-by and most of the time, you have hard time to even dial 911 because of the adrenalin pumping through your veins.

Your parasympathetic system takes control of your brain to SURVIVE and then... You forget about where your thumb is resting and you fire... :(

Just be careful not to look like this:



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mobgma said:
Mine will be the exact same as the one pictured. The Fabarm Martial Pro Forces 14" comes with heatshield and LPA sights and a tactical pistol grip. The Shooting Edge is changing the stock out for me once their shipment is in.
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Niceeee! You'll like it my friend. ;)

Fabarm is one great piece of art and machining! :rockOn:
Probably one of the best shotgun i've shot, after Benelli's...
 
TheZreturns said:
Taking in concerns what you said, everything works as long as you shoot your shotgun in non-stressful situations, like target shooting or hunting.

When you use it for self-defense like against predator animals or intruders, "education, awareness and commons sense" goes right out the window. Trust me.
All your "fine motor-skill" fly-by and most of the time, you have hard time to even dial 911 because of the adrenalin pumping through your veins.

Your parasympathetic system takes control of your brain to SURVIVE and then... You forget about where your thumb is resting and you fire... :(

Just be careful not to look like this:



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I never thought of it like that. You have a very valid point and seeing that picture made it all to real for me. Very graphic. Will consider this now.
 
mobgma said:
I never thought of it like that. You have a very valid point and seeing that picture made it all to real for me. Very graphic. Will consider this now.
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Just find the safety of my fellow CGN'ers very important... :p

When you buy a 8.5" barrel shotgun, it's not very much for "hunting or shooting clay" but more for backpacking and "in-case-of" situations! ;)
 
TheZreturns said:
Just find the safety of my fellow CGN'ers very important... :p

When you buy a 8.5" barrel shotgun, it's not very much for "hunting or shooting clay" but more for backpacking and "in-case-of" situations! ;)
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If you don't mind me asking, are you speaking from experience? Was this an unfortunate accident to you or someone you know?
 
mobgma said:
If you don't mind me asking, are you speaking from experience? Was this an unfortunate accident to you or someone you know?
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By personal experience and also by people I know who works as LEO like me or are in the Military (Canada and France).

Back in the time, while taking a course of CPO (Close Protection Officer), my instructor told us about a bad experience he had and how to be always cautious of where your fingers are...

He had a portion of his calf shot off, while doing protection of a VIP. When they got ambushed in an alley in Columbia, he tried to grab his partner (driver) with his left hand, but he had his shotgun in the right hand.

Even if he had the finger off the trigger, when he "grabbed" his partner by the left hand, his right hand contracted also and got caught into the trigger guard and it fired.
That's what we call sympathetic contraction. This happens even to the best of us... SWAT officers, CSOR/JTF-2, etc.

You can read about Reaction Time and Lethal Force Encounter, here:
http://www.povn.com/4n6/RctnTm.pdf

Go read page 8...

“The term sympathetic contraction, which was coined by law enforcement officers, refers to an involuntary contraction that occurs in the muscles of one limb when the same muscles in the other limb are performing an intended forceful action. A common situation that could evoke a sympathetic contraction sufficient to produce an unintentional discharge would be a law enforcement officer attempting to restrain a struggling suspect with the left hand while holding a handgun in the right hand.
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TheZreturns said:
By personal experience and also by people I know who works as LEO like me or are in the Military (Canada and France).

Back in the time, while taking a course of CPO (Close Protection Officer), my instructor told us about a bad experience he had and how to be always cautious of where your fingers are...

He had a portion of his calf shot off, while doing protection of a VIP. When they got ambushed in an alley in Columbia, he tried to grab his partner (driver) with his left hand, but he had his shotgun in the right hand.

Even if he had the finger off the trigger, when he "grabbed" his partner by the left hand, his right hand contracted also and got caught into the trigger guard and it fired.
That's what we call sympathetic contraction. This happens even to the best of us... SWAT officers, CSOR/JTF-2, etc.

You can read about Reaction Time and Lethal Force Encounter, here:
http://www.povn.com/4n6/RctnTm.pdf

Go read page 8...
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I am always able and willing to learn new things and take in good feeback. I am not closed minded like some people I have noticed on CGN and can be swayed with good logic. Thanks.
 
TheZreturns said:
Taking in concerns what you said, everything works as long as you shoot your shotgun in non-stressful situations, like target shooting or hunting.

When you use it for self-defense like against predator animals or intruders, "education, awareness and commons sense" goes right out the window. Trust me.
All your "fine motor-skill" fly-by and most of the time, you have hard time to even dial 911 because of the adrenalin pumping through your veins.

Your parasympathetic system takes control of your brain to SURVIVE and then... You forget about where your thumb is resting and you fire... :(

Just be careful not to look like this:



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No one rises to the occasion they just fall back on their training, the key to not shooting your fingers off is to practice. Muscle memory will take over in high stress situations. On combat by Lcol Dave Grossman does into depth about training yourself for these situations I was fortunate enough to get a 2 day presentation by him and it really opened up my eyes about training myself to do things I would not even think about like dialing 911 as stated before.
 
Although the thumb picture is very relevant to this thread, the picture was from a shooter holding a .460S&W Magnum Revolver clearly the wrong way as we can all see... note the epic amounts of FAIL before the cylinder :bangHead:... (the picture shows a .500S&W just for comparison)



I would have to say in my opinion that it would be FAR more devstating to any appendage caught in front of an 8.5" Grizz's bore most definitely...

bottom line I wouldnt ever take this shotgun as either bear defence, or wildlife defence, the chances your adrenaline kicking in (because yes I realize everyones different when placed in those situations as well ;)) and for what ever reason it slips your mind for 0.00005 of a second as Yogi bear is comin down at you when you pull the trigger, and then all of a sudden you have ANOTHER issue on your plate... that being you with one thumb/finger/whatever less on the bears dinner plate :(....

Just my $0.02 :)
 
it would be very difficult to hold the forend with your thumb 1" past the muzzle like this unless you are firing from the hip.
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i was worried about this issue and even tried to place my thumb past the muzzle, but as you shoulder the gun your hand moves back, and the angle of your hand and the lip of the forend pushing on your left index finger keep your thumb back behind the muzzle.
unless you have marfans syndrome your thumb should still be behind the muzzle.

if you are concerned about it, the problem could also be solved by having your 8.5" barrel tapped for chokes. an extended non-ported choke would both protect your muzzle, and extend it 3/4" while also providing the functional benefit of chokes.
 
poweredward said:
No one rises to the occasion they just fall back on their training, the key to not shooting your fingers off is to practice. Muscle memory will take over in high stress situations. On combat by Lcol Dave Grossman does into depth about training yourself for these situations I was fortunate enough to get a 2 day presentation by him and it really opened up my eyes about training myself to do things I would not even think about like dialing 911 as stated before.
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You're exactly right about muscle memory... ;)

What i'm concern is that most of the people won't do 1000 times reps by repeating the exact same movement of pumping the Grizzly shotgun.

Maybe, when you practice a lot, over the years, you'll bring these informations to your cerebellum so it's stacked there for these high stress situations...
 
CST Grad C.Nixon said:
bottom line I wouldnt ever take this shotgun as either bear defence, or wildlife defence, the chances your adrenaline kicking in (because yes I realize everyones different when placed in those situations as well ;)) and for what ever reason it slips your mind for 0.00005 of a second as Yogi bear is comin down at you when you pull the trigger, and then all of a sudden you have ANOTHER issue on your plate... that being you with one thumb/finger/whatever less on the bears dinner plate :(....

Just my $0.02 :)
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Yupppp... You got it! :cheers:
 
I find even a 12.5" pump bbl is short enough to cause concern, if I bought an 8.5" I'd probably put some kind of vertical foregrip on it.
 
As a side note you have 30 days to register the new pistol grip version. So just buy the pistol grip and put it on at the range or in the bush.
 
^^ sure you have fun convincing a court that you "just put it on" also the 30 day thing has been discussed at great length and was basicly decided to be a bad idea.

ive shot thousands of rounds through my 8.5 and have never felt that my thumb was going to be in danger, if there is any danger with the 8.5 it would be getting pumping forward and your hand slipping off the fore end in front of the barrel the nub stops that from happening
 
This thread is a year old, but as for the 30 day registration that is true but it can't leave your house. If you are caught at the range with it, you are in possesion of an unregistered restricted firearm which is all kinds of bad news. This is straight from the cfc so go ahead if you feel it's worth the risk.
 
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