I am a good shot and have a world class rifle....

Impressive groups from a factory rifle to say the least, great thread and posts JP. As for getting waxed in a competition because you don't have a stock that fits someone else real well type comments..... Ignore them. You can shoot plain and simple. I bet you could have a broom stick for a stock and outshoot most commentators here. Shooting is about consistency and great shooters are a lot more consistent under many more conditions than most folks here think.

Dang that's a great rifle.
 
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This is a Sightron Big Sky 36X and it is one of the best scope i had the pleasure to used, it is so clear and the adjustements are perfect, was to put my S&B on it but now with the results i've got cant broke that combo, is is there to stay... JP.
 
Juan, I would be as exited as caramel too as many years a he's shot and reloaded to end up with a factory gem as good as it is has got to be the best gift on earth. I am betting that rifle resells for a pretty penny some day.
 
dizzy said:
Juan, I would be as exited as caramel too as many years a he's shot and reloaded to end up with a factory gem as good as it is has got to be the best gift on earth. I am betting that rifle resells for a pretty penny some day.
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Well I don't want to add any pressure but I think he is a contender, and too modest as well, blaming it all on the gun :confused: Still takes a good driver even with a gem to shoot groups like that ;)
 
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Sure will be there at the early july Moa challenge, i am very excited at the idea of this even, i will do my best, talk to some cgners and with the ride on my motorcycle, should be 2 or 3 marvelous days, imagine the big Triumph Rocket 3, my Nemesis in my backpack and the 401 straight to Cedars Springs, if i succed 10 shots in 3.3 inch at 300 metres, will take my refund to buy some beers for the guys... awsome... JP.
 
shaolin555 said:
If you really wanna know... Book a ticket to Ottawa for the summer and hit Connaught for the DCRA. Some of the best comp for trg and f-class you will find this side of the border. If you don't get pumped by one of the legends or a snot nosed cadet using iron sights haha(they mix classes for relays) then your off to a good start. Then once you have the spirit of competition under your belt start jogging and sign up for a tac match. Then when you have to run to your target and back take a shot on a time exposure with a gaggle of no shoots (even better if you have civs walking around with your target on a stick lol) after this you will know. Combing all the elements of marksmanship with human dynamics under physical and mental stress... That's when you will know if your a good shooter. World class tho, I think it's bold to start throwing that term around if your making posts like this. Best of luck! See ya on the line!
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I was one of the 'snot nosed cadets'. I have to say I took great pleasure in grabbing my old-as-the-hills c12 and shooting 50.4 or 50.5 beside a fclass guy that couldnt read the wind at 600 with some hotrod whatever... and would lay down a 47 or some other embarrassing thing. It did lose some of the embarrassment factor when I made the NRT and we got those sweet Canadian flag covered RPA quadlocks though. If you shoot far away, your rifle is maybe 1/4 of the equation. Past 500yds, you need to worry about 3 things. Wind. Wind. And Wind.
 
caramel said:
... and the 401 straight to Cedars Springs, if i succed 10 shots in 3.3 inch at 300 metres, will take my refund to buy some beers for the guys... awsome... JP.
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Now that's class!

The MOA challenge is certainly do-able; I think you can do it and I wish you success.

It is a lot harder than it sounds, even if you are shooting a good F-Class rifle and routinely get half-minute five-shot groups at 300, so do take it seriously, practice for it and take whatever good advice you are able to find.
 
Hi Daniel,

To add to your point, shooting the Sierra Match 300M 60 round in 90 minutes with three target face changes is, in my opinion, even more so challenging than the 10 round MOA challenge version.

I have seen a handful of F Class (O and F) clean sweep with score of 600.
Very demanding. We are far here from nice 3-5 shot groups.
IIRC, bull size is a tad over 1 MOA.
In Valcartier, a few years back, I had to stop shooting because we had a cease fire and I stupidly dumped a .308 case full of Varget in the chamber and action. After rifle cleanup and many thanks to the fellow shooters that were quite helpful, I got back on the mound and managed to finish on time,
barely.
Simply to say that competition shooting is never a granted thing and we have to be ready for the unexpected and do best under circumstances.

BB






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Now that's class!

The MOA challenge is certainly do-able; I think you can do it and I wish you success.

It is a lot harder than it sounds, even if you are shooting a good F-Class rifle and routinely get half-minute five-shot groups at 300, so do take it seriously, practice for it and take whatever good advice you are able to find.
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The 300m ISSF target is made for iron sights shooting. It's a pretty neat target actually - the ten-ring is 100mm in diameter, the nine-ring is 200mm in diameter, etc.... i.e. all rings are multiples of 100mm, a nice round metric target. I seem to recall hearing that this has been the 300m target "forever" (since the 1920s?). http://www.shootingwiki.org/index.php?title=ISSF_Target_300M_Rifle

As an iron sight target, it is pretty darn challenging (even moreso when you realize that in ISSF 300m shooting they also shoot at it from the standing and kneeling positions too -- yikes!). I know that a 600 has been fired on the ISSF for 60 shots prone, by a Norwegian guy. I don't know if he is the only person to have ever done that, or if his accomplishment is "merely" rare.

As an F-Class target you would think that it is almost trivial; 100mm at 300m means that the 10-ring is 1.15MOA in size, and it is pretty straightforward to get a first-rate F-Class rifle that shoots an honest half MOA.

And yet, you don't see very many 600s being shot on the 300m ISSF target by F-Class shooters. It does happen from time to time, it certainly is doable, but it's a most respectable achievement by a top shooter in order to be able to claim that accomplishment.

To not shoot a 600 on the ISSF 300m target takes only one mistake, and you have 60 "opportunities" to make that mistake. The mistake could be breaking a bad shot, perhaps your attention wandered. It could be failing to keep your group well-centred (your 1/2 MOA group does fit in the 1.15 MOA ten-ring, but that only leaves 0.3MOA between the edge of a perfectly-centred group and the ten-ring edge). It could be missing a wind change (not a huge factor at 300m, but a wind change can easily move your bullet a quarter of a minute, and it's not a terribly big wind change to move you a half minute).
 
Let's not forget the Erie Haze. Some days at Cedar Springs the sight picture can be a little fuzzy. The range also faces south onto Lake Erie so the bright sun, slight haze first thing in the morning can be a #####. The good news is when the sun gets a little higher in the sky all you have to deal with is haze and mirage and a enough unseen wind change to throw that little 1/2 moa group into a 1.5 moa group. Then there is the unexplainable vortex that will put a shot high into the bull instead of on the waterline where the group was forming.
 
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Let's not forget the Erie Haze. Some days at Cedar Springs the sight picture can be a little fuzzy. The range also faces south onto Lake Erie so the bright sun, slight haze first thing in the morning can be a #####. The good news is when the sun gets a little higher in the sky all you have to deal with is haze and mirage and a enough unseen wind change to throw that little 1/2 moa group into a 1.5 moa group. Then there is the unexplainable vortex that will put a shot high into the bull instead of on the waterline where the group was forming.
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That's all true, I know. I've been there and experienced it all. I think I'm the one who coined the vortex excuse. Transferred it from Kingston. And, don't forget the ants biting at your nether parts as well. All conspire against shooting small groups in the right place.

NormB
 
NormB said:
That's all true, I know. I've been there and experienced it all. I think I'm the one who coined the vortex excuse. Transferred it from Kingston. And, don't forget the ants biting at your nether parts as well. All conspire against shooting small groups in the right place.

NormB
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There is never any end to the unexpected when shooting F-class. Aside from the vortex, and haze this summer I had to shoot thru cannon smoke. At Lodi, they salute the flag with a ceremonial Cannon, one morning the air was 'Dead' and we had to shoot the first string of the morning thru the white cannon smoke that simply hung over the range...:bangHead:
 
Never missing an opportunity to promote, the first 600/600 on the ISSF 300 m target was by Haraald Stenvag, Norway, with Lapua GB432 185gr .308 Win factory ammo. Now Lapua 6.5X47 Lapua is the way to go.

Regards,

Peter
 
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