870 P 14" where to get a used one ?

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Many police dept's in Ont. (RCMP too, I think) are switching out their 12 guage for the new carbine. So who knows where, or how I can pick up a well broken in 870P ??
 
Bad news all Public Agency guns can only be sold or given to other Public Agencies, otherwise they have to be destroyed and cannot be sold back to distributors or the general public.

gadget
 
gadget said:
Bad news all Public Agency guns can only be sold or given to other Public Agencies, otherwise they have to be destroyed and cannot be sold back to distributors or the general public.

gadget
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Oh, THAT makes perfect sense. After all US taxpayers paid for them once already, so they just melt them down and get US to pay for their new toys. I don't doubt you at all - just typical Gov't waste is all.
 
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Oh, THAT makes perfect sense. After all US taxpayers paid for them once already, so they just melt them down and get US to pay for their new toys. I don't doubt you at all - just typical Gov't waste is all.
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Nobody ever said that government spending makes sense;)

gadget
 
Check the EE. But for original Remington barrel, not so common. As suggested I would check with Casey at Tactical Ordnance in Ontario. He is also a member here; Arwen Ace. Can`t say enough good about him.
 
I have a Norinco HP-9 14" if you want. I never saw a 14" 870p in store. I was looking for one few years ago.
 
gadget said:
Bad news all Public Agency guns can only be sold or given to other Public Agencies, otherwise they have to be destroyed and cannot be sold back to distributors or the general public.

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On the other hand armoured car companies do dispose of their old guns every now and then and the 870P with 14" barrel is a popular choice for those companies.

Also Tac Ord is a good source. I have two 870P's and I got both from Tac Ord.

There are also forum sponsors who will sell you a new one if you want.
 
the 870 police model is a much better built gun than a regular express model .if you put a fourteen inch barrel on the express you will not have an 870 police gun .
 
P0WERWAGON said:
just get an 870 and buy a new 14 inch barrel. Dlask, NEA, BBB all make them i believe
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ummmm.. do a bit or research on the difference between a reg 870 and a police one. They are completely different and even built in different place. The police one is a near perfect gun, the reg 870 is for occasional use where you will not die if your gun does not work (which is more than fine for 99% of people).
 
REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns
The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
they do these checks to all guns

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
more senior guys build the guns, not the new hires

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
just a different area off the main assembly lone. no magic potions or elves helping

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
real difference #1, a spring

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
real difference #2, another spring

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
real difference #3, yet another spring

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
now a real change, #4 different safety

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.
#5, furniture, shorter for-end and an aftermarket stock

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
#6 finish, better blue or parked

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
#7 the first important change, metal instead of plastic

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
#8 another good change

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
#9 spend a few minutes in a tank with ceramic stones to smooth out the gun

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
#10 and the third significant change, a couple better metal parts
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buy a metal trigger group, aftermarket springs and stock and new extractors/ejectors and you'll have a normal 870 pretty close to a 870P.

is the "P" that much better? to some i guess.
 
It also has better polished/finished parts, so there aren't any feeding issues like the express models... I also believe they have them at Elwood epps from time to time
 
Or you could just buy a used Wingmaster and put a short barrel on it. There is a reason why you see Wingmasters on a regular basis that are from the early sixties and still going strong.
 
OP doesn't need a reason to prefer the P version, but since we're talking about it... ;)

I like the plastic (sorry... composite:rolleyes:) trigger plate. No, it doesn't feel as nice, but has anybody ever have one break? JD at AIP Tactical turned me around on them, to be honest. Really clear video of the plastic trigger housing on a 10/22 surviving a drop test that the 'nicer' alum one failed. Yes, it's cheaper. It's also stronger.

Same with the MIM extractor. I swapped mine out for the milled version, but it was vanity, really. Never heard of one breaking or causing a problem. Not sure what to make of the claim about the ejector being different: There's only one 3" 12ga ejector listed in the current Remington parts catalog.

And I don't think any of the 870s have the ISS safety now.

But personally I think the mag and carrier dog follower springs are good upgrades. Not the heavy sear spring, though, it's just not for me.

Other differences are finish and furniture, if that matters to you.

Feeding issues? Solved in five minutes, or in no time at all by simply not using garbage ammunition. Still, no reason not to polish your chamber if it's rough...

The Express is cheap and surprisingly good - I think this reflects the outstanding design.
 
I agree with dogzilla, get a nice old Wingmaster and call it a day. You can pick them up in the we for less the 400 and they can't be killed. I have a late 60's Wingmaster ad its seen hundreds of rounds and never a problem. Toss a 14 inch barrel on that and you'll have a shotgun that will last you a life time.
 
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