bringing ammo back from US?

lft said:
I guess I was lucky
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Yes you were.

I have it on good authority that CBP at Sweetgrass/Coutts has added six more agents to their duty roster. The only reason anyone can come up with for the increase is they plan on ramping up exit inspections.

Right now they are confiscating the goods but there will be a day where they just start throwing people in jail.
 
LuckyStrike said:
BUT

Ammo is not legal to possess in the US if you are not a US citizen.
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Not true. A NIA can purchase and possess ammo if they have a Form 6 NIA or hunting license from any state. (unless the rules have changed in the past year)

NIA = Non Immigrant Alien

However it seems that ATF and Homeland Security have been putting the fear of authority into the retailers. Seems to be easier than trying to educate them as to what is, and isn't legal.
 
SandRoad said:
Not true. A NIA can purchase and possess ammo if they have a Form 6 NIA or hunting license from any state. (unless the rules have changed in the past year)

NIA = Non Immigrant Alien

However it seems that ATF and Homeland Security have been putting the fear of authority into the retailers. Seems to be easier than trying to educate them as to what is, and isn't legal.
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You most certainly can purchase ammo with a US hunting licence,but you still cannot bring it back to Canada without violating US law.(I know you already knew that!:D )Mur
 
Mur said:
You most certainly can purchase ammo with a US hunting licence,but you still cannot bring it back to Canada without violating US law.(I know you already knew that!:D )Mur
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If your form 6 says your crossing with say 2000 rounds of pistol ammo, and you only cross with 1000 ( they dont check) you can buy 1000 rounds down there and cross back no issues. Your form 6 approves you to have x amount of ammo
 
mmcintyre1220 said:
If your form 6 says your crossing with say 2000 rounds of pistol ammo, and you only cross with 1000 ( they dont check) you can buy 1000 rounds down there and cross back no issues. Your form 6 approves you to have x amount of ammo
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And you are still exporting ammunition you bought in the US, and still committing a crime. Clever paperwork to attempt to cover this up will not save you from prosecution if caught.

Integrity: doing the right thing, even when no one is looking.

This counselling of how to commit a crime is also against board rules and should be retracted immediately.
 
critter928 said:
And you are still exporting ammunition you bought in the US, and still committing a crime. Clever paperwork to attempt to cover this up will not save you from prosecution if caught.

Integrity: doing the right thing, even when no one is looking.

This counselling of how to commit a crime is also against board rules and should be retracted immediately.
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CORRECT No counselling.


IT boils down to If you are not a resident of the U.S. or a resident of the state you are in ,it is illegal to purchase or have on your person unless you have the proper export to canada paper work
 
old enfields said:
Yes you were.

I have it on good authority that CBP at Sweetgrass/Coutts has added six more agents to their duty roster. The only reason anyone can come up with for the increase is they plan on ramping up exit inspections.

Right now they are confiscating the goods but there will be a day where they just start throwing people in jail.
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You'd think maybe they should use these extra bodies at the Mexican border instead of the Alberta border. I know Albertans are rednecks (LOL) but c'mon how many drug runners or terrorists are there in Alberta?
Unless of course that's exactly how terrorists and bad guys think also, so maybe the US has a point.
 
critter928 said:
And you are still exporting ammunition you bought in the US, and still committing a crime. Clever paperwork to attempt to cover this up will not save you from prosecution if caught.

Integrity: doing the right thing, even when no one is looking.

This counselling of how to commit a crime is also against board rules and should be retracted immediately.
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You sound like a liberal


Its not a crime nore am i " counselling to commit a crime" , i have been stopped in the US buying ammo and have not been hassled. I have also been stopped leaving the US with ammo and have not had a single issue. Also tecnically i am not exporting anything I am taking it out with myself. Exporting would be if a buisness in the US were send ammo to canada.
 
mmcintyre1220 said:
I have also been stopped leaving the US with ammo and have not had a single issue. Also tecnically i am not exporting anything I am taking it out with myself. Exporting would be if a buisness in the US were send ammo to canada.
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When? Were you stopped in a US export check, by Homeland Security?

Exporting? There is no "technicality" about it. Everything that leaves the US, by any means, is being exported. You carry something across the border you acquired in the US, you are exporting, and you are the exporter. It can't be any more clear than that.

Obviously it wasn't in the last year or so. Otherwise you would be telling us about your ban from entering the US, instead of how you got away with smuggling.

Or are you confusing leaving the US with entering Canada? Both happen simultaneously when you cross the border.

However if it was before 2001, Canada was exempt from ITAR export regulations.
 
SandRoad said:
When? Were you stopped in a US export check, by Homeland Security?

Exporting? There is no "technicality" about it. Everything that leaves the US, by any means, is being exported. You carry something across the border you acquired in the US, you are exporting, and you are the exporter. It can't be any more clear than that.

Obviously it wasn't in the last year or so. Otherwise you would be telling us about your ban from entering the US, instead of how you got away with smuggling.
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Real life example: last year, we depart US, upstate New york, cross rainbow bridge. Pay toll. Start around corner, and drive right into orange traffic cones, DHS controlling all traffic. They waive me through. Observe a canine unit with 4 to 6 DHS vehicles going through contents of SUV with hatch open. i keep travelling, DISTANCE TO DEMARKATION LINE OF US BORDER, 200 yards (center of bridge).

They do this to justify their jobs, and see what is leaving the country. They are just doing their job, and they do it very well.
 
I've been told by a US customs guy that you can buy ammo if you shoot it in the US (assuming you have a valid Form 6) but you cannot bring it back to Canada unless you have an export permit

They even asked if I bought "parts" last time I crossed
 
old enfields said:
Yes you were.

I have it on good authority that CBP at Sweetgrass/Coutts has added six more agents to their duty roster. The only reason anyone can come up with for the increase is they plan on ramping up exit inspections.

Right now they are confiscating the goods but there will be a day where they just start throwing people in jail.
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They are also closeing other places so expect increased traffic at the main ones.You would not believe how many people try to get into the US from Canada.Entry is easier here then they try and cross over.
 
amber2010 said:
You'd think maybe they should use these extra bodies at the Mexican border instead of the Alberta border. I know Albertans are rednecks (LOL) but c'mon how many drug runners or terrorists are there in Alberta?
Unless of course that's exactly how terrorists and bad guys think also, so maybe the US has a point.
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Terrorists, maybe not all that many. Gonna depend on who you want to include on the list, though. Drug runners, probably a lot more than you think.

As Robin Williams once said, "Cocaine is God's way of telling you you have too much money". Lots of fellas with too much money in the oil patch.

There are enough ways to step on your own #### in this wold, without going out of your way to find more. Once you are in the US, you are subject to THEIR rules, and it's best to have a good idea which ones you don't want to cross.

Cheers
Trev
 
Supertrooper said:
What about blank ammunition?
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I don't think the US differentiates between live and blank ammo. Their army sure as hell doesn't. Blank ammo also contains powder and primers so I'd be willing to bet highly that no you cannot export blank ammo out of the US.

If you want a definitive answer, contact the US Dept of State, Directorate of Defense Trade Controls.
 
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