UPDATED with range PICS NEA vs Norq review/testing

easysauce said:
HAHA the guys I shot with today were quite nice about it, I let them shoot it, and its much louder when your not directly behind the barrel.

both my neighbors today were awesome, both shot the NEA and let me shoot their lever action and ar15/10

haha this thing needs a silencer, not a muzzle break, should be mandatory safety equipment to shoot this thing at an indoor range.
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The entire first post was just NEA nut tugging by someone who consistenly posts his dogma in every NEA thread. You come off as a amped up fanboy so it is hard to give any credibility to your post.

2bad4u2 said it best, you opened the box and finger blasted the NEA, the Norc never even had a chance. I can tell you have a bias in the evaluation considering your review of the Norc is mostly just attempts at lulz

How about a real range report with actual bench rest shooting with photos of both guns at the range and pics of the actual targets/ groupings at various distances. My guess is that they will shoot about the exact same. The real benefits of the NEA are in the superior fit and finish and the included FFR (which for the record is not going to improve your accuracy as claimed by some).

I personally love the look of the NEA, the rifle has a ton of appealing aspects. I think the milling on the upper and lower looks fantastic and I think their choice of materials and alloy treatments are a great alternative to a saturated market that is largley homoginized with product offerings.

I don't think NEA should change their price point because if they increase the MSRP by $250, they will lose sales to established competitors in that price range IE LMT, BC, Stag and etc. NEA should just focus on improving their QC, which is what they have said they are doing, and they will have a great product.
 
Prayerst6 said:
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:D lol
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The Norinco descriptions for their .22 rifles are equally entertaining....;)....but :yingyang: , it's also the difference between a $150 SA-22 (made in China) and a $550 one (made in Japan).....:wave:
 
c0ntract said:
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The entire first post was just NEA nut tugging by someone who consistenly posts his dogma in every NEA thread. You come off as a amped up fanboy so it is hard to give any credibility to your post.

2bad4u2 said it best, [2bad4u complained I only finger fcked it, without shooting it, the same day canada post dropped it off. next time I should start fireing from my rooftop perhaps?] you opened the box and finger blasted the NEA, the Norc never even had a chance. I can tell you have a bias in the evaluation considering your review of the Norc is mostly just attempts at lulz [if the norq gun performed better, or had more features, it might have won in my mind, or if it was properly staked, didnt have loose controls ect]

How about a real range report with actual bench rest shooting with photos of both guns at the range and pics of the actual targets/ groupings at various distances. My guess is that they will shoot about the exact same <----[you think a polygonal match grade barrel will shoot the same as a plain jane norinco barrel???? why on earth would you think that?]. The real benefits of the NEA are in the superior fit and finish and the included FFR (which for the record is not going to improve your accuracy as claimed by some).
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yup, anyone who got a working NEA rifle is a shill, you got it, total fan boy here. every single rifle they sent out makes your ##### fall off, anyone who says otherwise is a liar.


so I guess I cant open the box and say it looks good, has proper staking ect, cause then I get #####ed at (by the same people who CONSTANTLY ##### about NEA not staking) since i didnt shoot it within an hour of can post dropping it off ,

then I shoot the CRAP out of it (sorry is 500 rounds not enough in a single day?), but yeah how dare I only put 200$ worth of ammo through a gun in one day? and how dare I not do it from a full gun rest/vice, with a controlled wind environment, remote trigger, and meticulously loaded match ammo, with a $2000+ sub MOA scope instead of the 3moa one I used. Not to mention I dont have a 1000$ camera to take pics with, what a travesty, because places like honey badger put out PROFESSIONAL reviews of NEAs with 5k+ rounds, and even then the same crowd moans and groans again.
really?

your surprised that a gun with easily 1200 worth of features, sold for 1000, beat a 700 dollar gun?

I still like/shoot my norq, its not a bad gun, like I said in the review, but if you ever add a rail, free floated barrel, low profile gas block, ect your going to pay MORE then what you would pay for an NEA with the same features.
assuming both guns had identical barrels (they dont, polygonal match grade is much better then norinco grade) that puts NEA ahead.



and for the record, there are jokes in the NEA and norq parts, its meant to bring a shred of joy to your otherwise miserable life...

really, you missed "never ending arguement" as a joke on NEA?
I make fun of shaq, and russians too. but i knew going in that the same people would say the same thing, regardless of how the review went. so sorry for trying to lighten the mood.

no one caught the finger banging one either, so maybe im just not funny.
 
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Shields2618 said:
easysauce, have you had your nea out for anymore range time (and if so how is it holding up)? I have been seriously considering buying the nea over the norc. I appreciate you sharing what you've found thus far and sacrificing your ammo in the name of cgn :)
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go with the NEA, so you can get the barrel length you want, and because the barrels are just plain better.

unless a 14.5' or 10", plain jane AR with a big ole front post in front of your optic is just what you are looking for, you just get a better deal with the NEA.

that being said, Ill likely use my norq for service rifle competitions, since it DOES have that front iron, and you can only use irons in that.

so what you want to use it for makes a differance,

if I could only have one of the two, NEA, hands down.

oh and like I said updates at 1k and so on, with the NEA but I put about 200 downrange on the norq since I wanted to stop being terrible with irons.
 
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Thanks for the advice, and like you said in you earlier post, the features you get with the nea are everything I would want to do to the norc (free float handguard, gas block ect) and the warranty is a huge bonus. Now I'll save myself the hassle of the build and try to hunt a nea down.
 
Shields2618 said:
Thanks for the advice, and like you said in you earlier post, the features you get with the nea are everything I would want to do to the norc (free float handguard, gas block ect) and the warranty is a huge bonus. Now I'll save myself the hassle of the build and try to hunt a nea down.
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haha yeah... its harder to get one at the moment, most people will have to wait for a while on pre order. for what its worth, SFRC is where I got mine, and a site sponser, and ryan there has awesome service, kept me updated regularly on cgn and email. they have all the barrel sizes too if you want short pdw or long DMR. But you will be in a fairly long line, I dont want to understate that, but ryans giving free shipping on pre orders to help mitigate that.
 
I had figured that would be the case, but thanks for the warning. Sfrc is who I was going to order through and probably get a few other goodies to get me all set for an awesome range day. Im either going with 14.5 or the DMR, either way I should get in line and wait on pins and needles until it arrives.
 
easysauce said:
yup, anyone who got a working NEA rifle is a shill, you got it, total fan boy here. every single rifle they sent out makes your ##### fall off, anyone who says otherwise is a liar.


so I guess I cant open the box and say it looks good, has proper staking ect, cause then I get #####ed at (by the same people who CONSTANTLY ##### about NEA not staking) since i didnt shoot it within an hour of can post dropping it off ,

then I shoot the CRAP out of it (sorry is 500 rounds not enough in a single day?), but yeah how dare I only put 200$ worth of ammo through a gun in one day? and how dare I not do it from a full gun rest/vice, with a controlled wind environment, remote trigger, and meticulously loaded match ammo, with a $2000+ sub MOA scope instead of the 3moa one I used. Not to mention I dont have a 1000$ camera to take pics with, what a travesty, because places like honey badger put out PROFESSIONAL reviews of NEAs with 5k+ rounds, and even then the same crowd moans and groans again.
really?

your surprised that a gun with easily 1200 worth of features, sold for 1000, beat a 700 dollar gun?

I still like/shoot my norq, its not a bad gun, like I said in the review, but if you ever add a rail, free floated barrel, low profile gas block, ect your going to pay MORE then what you would pay for an NEA with the same features.assuming both guns had identical barrels (they dont, polygonal match grade is much better then norinco grade) that puts NEA ahead.



and for the record, there are jokes in the NEA and norq parts, its meant to bring a shred of joy to your otherwise miserable life...

really, you missed "never ending arguement" as a joke on NEA?
I make fun of shaq, and russians too. but i knew going in that the same people would say the same thing, regardless of how the review went. so sorry for trying to lighten the mood.

no one caught the finger banging one either, so maybe im just not funny.
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I said you sound like a Fanboy ... because you are one. You are one of the people who constantly posts defending the company, literally spamming every thread on on NEA issues as if there were never QC issues. I like NEA, I like that they are made in Canada, I like that they do right by their customers, I like their AR... but I am not going to swing on their nuts because of the above and claim that their AR's are the best value for money.

Also, you hype the features beyond what they really are. Once again it does not have a free floated barrel!!! Did NEA patent a method to magically teleport the gas back to the bolt to cycle the rifle? I didn't think so. Yes NEA uses fantastic metal treatments and alternative alloys, that is great because it offer variety to a saturated market. Yes they offer a great rail and low profile gas block and a nice barrel. That being said, polygonal rifling is not going to produce 2" smaller groups out of a 4" smaller barrel at 100 yards shooting unsuported out of a 3MOA optic unless the shooter is "sandbagging" and no, I do not mean shooting from a bag.

Now, I am not saying norc is better, I am not surprised that the fit and finish of the NEA was better, it really doesn't take much to beat the norc there. However your range test must be a joke because the one thing the norc does very well is put rounds on paper accurately and consistently regardless of its "norinco grade" barrel.
If your going to do a range comparison and claim that one rifle is more accurate than another, and even bother mentioning your groupings, you should shoot from a rest so that at least they are comparable/credible.

So in closing, the NEA offers great features, it has a lot of curb appeal, it has excellent fit and finish and it also has some great upgrades from factory that will appeal to some shooters and it is made in Canada; however Norinco costs $300-400 less and will perform just as well considering the limitations we have in Canada.
 
c0ntract said:
I said you sound like a Fanboy ... because you are one. You are one of the people who constantly posts defending the company, literally spamming every thread on on NEA issues as if there were never QC issues.
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you consistently post on peoples "I like my NEA rifle" thread with NEA sucks garbage,

some people had problems with NEA rifles, no one, not even NEA denies this.


all I did was review my rifle, just like running fool, and find it to be a great rifle for the money.

you jump in on both our threads, and dump on nea all you can.

not to mention phoney balony calling this BCG improperly staked
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when it is clearly properly staked,

go buy an NEA, and do a ####ty review if its a ####ty gun.

I bought an NEA, it was a great gun, so it got a great review.

go start a thread on how much NEA sucks instead of derailing "I like my NEA" threads with your ... lets call them opinions on the matter
 
c0ntract said:
Also, you hype the features beyond what they really are. Once again it does not have a free floated barrel!!! Did NEA patent a method to magically teleport the gas back to the bolt to cycle the rifle? I didn't think so. Yes NEA uses fantastic metal treatments and alternative alloys, that is great because it offer variety to a saturated market. Yes they offer a great rail and low profile gas block and a nice barrel. That being said, polygonal rifling is not going to produce 2" smaller groups out of a 4" smaller barrel at 100 yards shooting unsuported out of a 3MOA optic unless the shooter is "sandbagging" and no, I do not mean shooting from a bag.
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and if your going to call me a liar, at least READ THE DAMN REVIEW properly, there is a 7" difference between a 14.5 barrel and a 7.5, and the NEA did 1" better... not 2", and its distance from bulls eye, not groups. and its 100 m, not yards. and it was supported by the magazine, which is more then I usually get in competition. I want this gun to work in that environment, not some theoretical, gun viced, environment.

if someone had a gun vice, and a remote trigger, to properly take the human factor out of the shooting, then of course I would use it... but do you have both those items?

and yes, the NEA does have a free floated rail, your version of PROPER free floating is just a barrel hovering in mid air with no connection to the receiver then? give me a break... its a free floated rail, saying otherwise is just wrong, the rail makes no contact with the barrel, hence free floated, sure the gas block is there, because it has to be, but your support hand is not directly influencing the barrel, and that is the point, OBVIOUSLY its not floated in the same way as a bolt action since you need the DI system to work, but it is still a free float system. go lawyer up and sue NEA, because free floated rail is right there on the specs.

why are you holding me to a professional gun testers standards? I wish I had a nice rest, and the choice of throwing a sub MOA optik on there, are you gonna lend me one instead of complaining? or is that too helpfull?

you completely ignore the lack of staking and FTF;s the norq had as well,
and even when NEA stakes properly you ##### about staking
 
easysauce said:
....and yes, the NEA does have a free floated rail, your version of PROPER free floating is just a barrel hovering in mid air with no connection to the receiver then? give me a break... its a free floated rail...
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As much as it pains me to defend someone who seems a little too preoccupied with testicles ("NEA nut tugging" and,"I am not going to swing on their nuts"), I think what c0ntRact is getting at is that you called it a free floated barrel in your post. C0ntract mentions NEA's FFR in post #61. I know you meant rail and so does everyone else but there hasn't been much NEA drama as of late, so you know, it's been slim pickings for the haters! ;)

And for the record c0ntract, I don't think you are a hater, you've given a pretty fair summary of NEA. I just don't think it fair to call someone a nut-swinger (damn, now you've got me using that phrase:)) just because they have a rifle that works and that they like. Just because there are people like myself and easysauce who love their fully functional kick-ass Canadian NEAs , it doesn't mean we are running around trying to tell people there have not been QC issues at NEA. All I've ever hoped to express is a "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" notion because NEA can and will build ARs that are "the best value for money" - I know because I have one.
 
I think the whole NEA jaded view from alot of people is getting beyond silly now. They are good rifles!! If people like and own them then who cares. Everyone has their opinion. But it just seems ridiculous now when you come on the black and green rifle section and just see NEA drama. Don't let a gun get you stressed. If it isn't what you wanted then research more, take it back, trade it, get a replacement (if it's not working right) but why bother fighting eachother on a forum about something that has little or no importance in life. Relax.....

Have a beer. Sleep. Take your rifle out the gun cabinet. And shoot that sucker until all stress is gone :D it's so much more fun to shoot them than fight about them! :)

I like NEA even with its quirks. I never shot one until the other day and really enjoyed it. Bad apple rifles can occur. Read back my first paragraph if this happens to you :)

Happy shooting gents
 
easysauce said:
you consistently post on peoples "I like my NEA rifle" thread with NEA sucks garbage,
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I have never said NEA products were garbage, actually I constantly say that they have fantastic products in house, use quality and innovative materials and bring a fresh approach to the AR market.

some people had problems with NEA rifles, no one, not even NEA denies this.
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Yup.


all I did was review my rifle, just like running fool, and find it to be a great rifle for the money.
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Your review was extremely biased thats why I commented.

you jump in on both our threads, and dump on nea all you can
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Where did I "dump on NEA" ?

not to mention phoney balony calling this BCG improperly staked
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when it is clearly properly staked,
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I never said it was improperly staked. If your refering to the thread on the BCG staking, all I did was post the M4 staking guide for reference.

go buy an NEA, and do a s**tty review if its a s**tty gun.

I bought an NEA, it was a great gun, so it got a great review.
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I generally don't do reviews, but if I did, I would try and make them fair and impartial. There is no NEA on my shopping list right now, I don't see the need to buy another entry level AR with all the other firearms in my safe(s).

go start a thread on how much NEA sucks instead of derailing "I like my NEA" threads with your ... lets call them opinions on the matter
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1) Once again, I never ever said NEA sucks, in fact I usually defend them on the basis that they are offering innovative alternatives to the millions of other AR's out there. I am critical of some things, but I don't post in every NEA thread slamming their products. I post when there is somthing relevent to discuss.

2) I didn't derail your thread, I am commenting directly on the topic you started. If you don't want people to post opinions contrary to yours, I suggest you go to one of those liberal blog sites, then you can control the content. You posted a "review" here and I only said that it wasn't a fair and impartial review and my main point was that your results were stacked. You took it to heart and have been making redicules claims against me ever since. You quote my posts then claim I am saying NEA sucks, its hystarical.

3) My opinion was that you shouldn't claim the NEA is more accurate than the Norinco given the fact that you didn't actually attempt to shoot a real grouping or provide any supporting photo's. When you claim a 7.5" PDW is grouping tighter than a 14" carbine at 100 yards with an CQB optic, it does sounds like your hyping the product. Few people can shoot 2.5" groups with a rifle length AR unsupported with an optic thats a step up from irons, let alone with an AR sporting a barrel an inch and a half longer than the average revolver.
 
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