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Well, this might not be a revelation to any of you, but I found out how to make my gun shoot. I set my .308 Savage 10 PC up on some bags, without a bipod, and set up my rear bag so the gun would slide straight back. The gun will now shoot 0.7 MOA 3-5 groups reliably. I printed an 8 shot group that was 1MOA.

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Saw this video and it made me a better shooter.

Also, the bullet stays in the barrel for 24 thousandths of a second. That really made me consider what the rifle was "doing" under recoil, and made me want to set the gun up to track straight back into my shoulder... Pretty neat stuff. The less I touch the rifle, the better it shoots.
 
Question, I CANNOT keep my .308 from recoiling like this guy can. No matter how I position myself it just violently jumps how it wants to.

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I don't have an atlas bipod. I have a rock-(something) or other... But I do preload it like this...

Can anyone recommend a nice rear bag to keep in my kit? Something like the first video....
 
Protektor rear bags are really nice. You can also sub in a front pedestal rest. Makes a huge improvement in ease of grouping. F open shooters do this for a reason.

Learning to shoot off a bipod takes a while. Most folding styles are tough to use. Have a suppressor or muzzle brake can help reduce the push into you thus reduce the bounce.

Have a look at this video. Maybe it can offer you some improved groups.

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A very simple bipod to use and you do not need or want to preload this.

Tracks well with min bounce.

Enjoy...

Jerry
 
greg11 said:
Also, the bullet stays in the barrel for 24 thousandths of a second. That really made me consider what the rifle was "doing" under recoil, and made me want to set the gun up to track straight back into my shoulder... Pretty neat stuff. The less I touch the rifle, the better it shoots.
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Actually it's much less than that; I'd have to look it up, but I think the barrel time of a typical highpower rifle bullet is a bit under one millisecond. The lock time of the action is quite a bit slower (5-10ms).

greg11 said:
Question, I CANNOT keep my .308 from recoiling like this guy can. No matter how I position myself it just violently jumps how it wants to.
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Certainly there is a lot of technique to be learned. BUT, a suppressor also acts a a pretty effective recoil reducer - so don't beat yourself up too badly!
 
Hi Daniel

Was just on the Geisselle web site watching videos about his AR-15 triggers. He mentions that a Remington 700 action typically has a 2.5 ms lock time.
For what it worth.. a standard AR-15 trigger has a 10 ms lock time.

RDG
 
i must be old, i cannot fathom using bipods and butt pads to soften the recoil....i prefer a sling. the old school way, if i do hit a bulls eye its based on a steady hand, controlled breathing, eye control and surprise.....!!!
 
rdgietz said:
Hi Daniel

Was just on the Geisselle web site watching videos about his AR-15 triggers. He mentions that a Remington 700 action typically has a 2.5 ms lock time.
For what it worth.. a standard AR-15 trigger has a 10 ms lock time.

RDG
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Thanks; I am more than a bit rusty on recollecting these things, your figures are probably more accurate.

Your posting got me thinking that maybe I should measure it.... (I have a digital oscilloscope that connects to a laptop, and a microphone - it might be very easy to measure the locktime of my Musgrave, AR-15, Model-70, a No. 4 Lee Enfield, etc)
 
Is lock time the amount of time between the trigger letting go, and the pin striking the primer? Just a guess. But yes this would be very important as well.

As far as how much the firearm recoils before the bullet exits the firearm, is 3/8" an overestimate as well?
 
BenL said:
Very nice Jerry; well done sir.

I bet a nice black pod would fit nicely under my new AICS AX chassis :cool:
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Kind of like this? 9x19p's rig.

Jerry
 
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