CCI Quiet .22 ammo HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong Way said:
Have you ever looked at the box from the CB's that have been sold here forever? How about the Rem CeeBees?

They say "reduced report"

Quit A: Fear mongering and B: Giving the anti's ideas. Neither are helpfull.
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The law is the law. It is fairly simple. I didn't write it.

It says ".... any device, designed or intended ...."

Reduced report or quiet ammo fits the legal description perfectly. That that portion of the law has never been enforced is none of my doing and nothing I say is going to change that.

This is not fear mongering or anything else.
 
Suputin said:
The law is the law. It is fairly simple. I didn't write it.

It says ".... any device, designed or intended ...."

Reduced report or quiet ammo fits the legal description perfectly. That that portion of the law has never been enforced is none of my doing and nothing I say is going to change that.

This is not fear mongering or anything else.
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Quiet ammo is never mentioned only devices that reduce sound which is not happening in this case. This is not a device it is ammunition, nothing is reducing the sound of the shot fired. You are mixing the concept of less noisy ammunition with ammunition that has its normal report reduced by a device.

Dan
 
Let's see...

Suputin's career is making suppressors and silencers for military and law enforcement in Canada, and so thusly can be assumed to have more than a working knowledge of this portion of the law.

Your experience is?
 
Dan B said:
Quiet ammo is never mentioned only devices that reduce sound which is not happening in this case. This is not a device it is ammunition, nothing is reducing the sound of the shot fired. You are mixing the concept of less noisy ammunition with ammunition that has its normal report reduced by a device.

Dan
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The dictionary definition of a "device" is "a thing made for a particular purpose". As such, ammunition fits perfectly into that definition. The law was written to be purposely vague so that the authorities could use it for pretty much anything they want. Just because it has never been done before doesn't mean it can't be in the future.

My point is that the law is so badly written and so vague that ammo we consider to be totally innocuous could be classed as a prohibited device by a crusading cop or crown prosecutor. Thus we need to press the govmint for better law.
 
AK said:
Let's see...

Suputin's career is making suppressors and silencers for military and law enforcement in Canada, and so thusly can be assumed to have more than a working knowledge of this portion of the law.

Your experience is?
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To be fair, nobody knows for sure. It has never happened and I am not suggesting it will ever happen. I don't think that ammo is within the spirit of the law. However the fact is is COULD happen because the way the law is written allows all kinds of otherwise innocuous objects to be caught up in the vague description of a prohibited device.

I am no more of an expert on the law than anyone else.
 
Well was at the range yesterday with my Brno-2 and switched from Blazers to CCI (40gr. 1070fps) and was I surprised how quiete it was. No crack at all just pssst. Will try it next in my hand guns tonight.
 
I see Suputin's point. It could be seen as something that reduces the sound of a shot and prohibited by the CFO's Look at the way they are acting now with the long gun registry and defying orders. These guy's feel they have absolute power over us and when they don't like something they prohibit/ignore it in their favor.
 
Suputin said:
I am totally serious. The law states "a device designed or intended" to reduce the sound of a shot. Thats it.

Ammo specifically marketed as being "quiet" certainly falls within the letter of the law. This is the problem when idiots who know nothing about the subject write the laws.

If we can show that the law is ridiculous in its scope and potential for misuse then maybe we can get it repealed or changed.

At this time ammo is not considered to fall within the law but there is no reason a crusading cop or judge couldn't change that.
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And if we follow the absolute letter of the Law, our earplugs and earmuffs, are "prohibited devices."
 
If you're going to say that firing less noisy ammunition is grounds for declaring said ammunition a prohibited device,then you need to have a standard dB that defines a firearm's report. Otherwise, firing any 22LR could be considered prohibited as those cartridges are quieter than 30.06 or shotguns, or whatever.

It's absurd to think that this ammo would be prohibited. Seriously absurd.
 
cancer said:
If you're going to say that firing less noisy ammunition is grounds for declaring said ammunition a prohibited device,then you need to have a standard dB that defines a firearm's report. Otherwise, firing any 22LR could be considered prohibited as those cartridges are quieter than 30.06 or shotguns, or whatever.

It's absurd to think that this ammo would be prohibited. Seriously absurd.
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Absurdity is what CFO's deal. It could come down to something as simple as the wording on the package. I don't see them prohibiting it but you never know with these guy's.
 
If you're going to say that firing less noisy ammunition is grounds for declaring said ammunition a prohibited device,then you need to have a standard dB that defines a firearm's report.
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Thats easy. A typical 22 rimfire rifle firing high velocity ammo will meter around 141 dB.


It's absurd to think that this ammo would be prohibited. Seriously absurd.
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Of course it is but thats because you are using common sense and intelligence. There is neither in the law and how it is enforced and interpreted by the legal system.

Strictly by the wording of the law, any ammo specifically designed or intended to reduce the muzzle report of the firearm fits the definition of a prohibited device.
 
Well Cabelas opened here and they had some so I figured wth and gave them a try. THey are very quiet the firing pin strike is way louder then the shot. They are noticeable quieter then subsonics to me also. That said I shot a gopher at 10-15 yards the gopher fell over then got up and ran away undamaged. Loaded up a round of federal 525 bulk pack and put him down for the count
 
Suputin said:
Strictly by the wording of the law, any ammo specifically designed or intended to reduce the muzzle report of the firearm fits the definition of a prohibited device.
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I've never read the word "ammo" in that clause. It's new to me. I know there is a clause that says "any device" designed or intended to reduce the muzzle report, but not any ammo. I can't find it anywhere.
 
Suputin said:
Strictly by the wording of the law, any ammo specifically designed or intended to reduce the muzzle report of the firearm fits the definition of a prohibited device.
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Where is this wording of the law you are strictly quoting for any ammunition?
What amount of reduction in muzzle report qualifies ammunition as a prohibited device?
Do reduced loads for all firearms fall under this definition?
Where is the standard for wildcat cartridges?

Thanks,
Dan
 
Suputin said:
Go look up the dictionary definition of "device" then argue that ammo is not a device.
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device [dɪˈvaɪs] n
1. (Engineering / Tools) a machine or tool used for a specific task; contrivance
2. (Military / Firearms, Gunnery, Ordnance & Artillery) Euphemistic a bomb
3. a plan or plot, esp a clever or evil one; scheme; trick


Ok, done now your turn:

Where is this wording of the law you are strictly quoting for any ammunition?
What amount of reduction in muzzle report qualifies ammunition as a prohibited device?
Do reduced loads for all firearms fall under this definition?
Where is the standard for wildcat cartridges?

I am only interested in facts not conjecture.

Thanks again,
Dan
 
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