Reloading Prices are ridiculous in Canada!!

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Anyplace in Canada that sells reloading supplies at a good price. We are getting raped and pillaged in Canada by the Canadian dealers/distributors. They are 60% of the price in the USA but we can't bring them back(US export laws). Freight might be an extra 8% so the dealers up here are taking 32% more than their American counterparts. This is a shame.
All Hornady comes through Korth Agencies so their are no good deals on Hornady either. I'm sure they are taking 20-25%.right off the top. Powders retail in Montana stores for around 20.00/lb. What are we paying here..over 30.00-40.00. Why double. Sure frieght cost more but the powder companies typically pay the freight on qualifying orders.
Granted permits are required but they are easy! This is the excuse they use. It is actually a money grab.
 
I have been pulling reloading handles since the 60's and it has always been like this.
My brother in Ohio pays 19.99 for the same brand and pound of powder I pay 32.99 for plus I have to put 15% tax on it. Not much we can do unfortunately.
 
If you're buying a pound here and there from the big chain stores or from the mom and pop gun shops... Expect to pay higher prices.

Buy bulk direct and pay less...

Just like everything else.
 
reloading stuff

For those of us in Ontario and Quebec, LeBaron is one of the best places to buy powder and primers. If you spring for their $25 membership, you get 10% (or this month 15%) off their already decent prices. Most powders are regularly around $25 a pound and primers under $30/1000 before the members discount. It doesn't take long to get your $25 back.
 
saskdude99 said:
Anyplace in Canada that sells reloading supplies at a good price. We are getting raped and pillaged in Canada by the Canadian dealers/distributors. They are 60% of the price in the USA but we can't bring them back(US export laws). Freight might be an extra 8% so the dealers up here are taking 32% more than their American counterparts. This is a shame.
All Hornady comes through Korth Agencies so their are no good deals on Hornady either. I'm sure they are taking 20-25%.right off the top. Powders retail in Montana stores for around 20.00/lb. What are we paying here..over 30.00-40.00. Why double. Sure frieght cost more but the powder companies typically pay the freight on qualifying orders.
Granted permits are required but they are easy! This is the excuse they use. It is actually a money grab.
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The thing that gets me is the accusation that the consumer is instantly being gouged. Do you guys have any idea of costs associated to running a business? Have a listen at Chris Anderson's CRRN podcast
http://www.canadianreloadradio.com/crr/00BUCK_JR_BIZZ.mp3


L-N-L Classic kit, US MSRP is $383.06 US. (Lets assume $ parity, so $1 USD = 1$ CDN).
Large chains in the USA:
Gander Mountain $399.99
Cabela's (Online) $319.99
Bass Pro $349.99

Cost at Canadian Retailers? $425-$475

So assume that large chains who purchase huge volumes only make %10 after all associated costs. So volume purchase costs of the press would be roughly $250-275 (Looking at Cabela's).

You mentioned Korth so lets use them as an example.
Korth is a distributor, not a retailer.
So Korth Distributors orders, lets say, 1000 units. Shipping/Brokerage fees costs for 1000 units @ 24lbs apiece.
Shipping multiple pallets for 24,000 lbs of product worth $275,000.
USP freight shipping for that is roughly $40,000 (40 pallets, with stacks of 25 presses, shipping direct from Hornady to Canadian location) Not including brokerage fees (which are usually ridiculous).

So already at least $40 more per press. Plus overhead (people, warehousing, bills) and profit which combines to $60 a press (Remember your suggested Korth markups of 20% profit, whereas I include overhead in).

Now Retailers buy from korth at $375 ($275+$40+$60) and buy 25 presses (600 lbs on a single pallet) also shipped via UPS/FedEx... which equals another $1000 or $40 per press. So retailer cost is already at $405. Plus their overhead and profit. Which since is it not a warehouse/distribution center is probably equal to Korth ($60). So $465 retail cost to you.

Are you assuming that Retailers are getting 20% profit as well?
Lets use your numbers.
$465 for the press in Canada.
-$90 profit for retailer (20%)
-$40 for shipping by retailer
$335 for retailer to buy from Korth.
-$60 profit from Korth (20%)
-$40 for shipping by Korth
$235 for Korth to purchase from Hornady (Does that mean that Cabela's gets nearly 50% markup?). Where is the overhead for Korth and the retailer, the brokerage fees for international shipping etc...?

Tell me again how we are getting raped by Canadian firearms businesses selling products? (I'm not talking service or returns, just costs.)
 
bob74 said:
For those of us in Ontario and Quebec, LeBaron is one of the best places to buy powder and primers. If you spring for their $25 membership, you get 10% (or this month 15%) off their already decent prices. Most powders are regularly around $25 a pound and primers under $30/1000 before the members discount. It doesn't take long to get your $25 back.
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It actually has to be in stock however :)

LeBarons has good prices, despite horrible service and alot of Out of Stock selection.
 
saskdude99 said:
Anyplace in Canada that sells reloading supplies at a good price. We are getting raped and pillaged in Canada by the Canadian dealers/distributors. They are 60% of the price in the USA but we can't bring them back(US export laws)....... It is actually a money grab.
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Hmmmm, so that is why sporting goods stores are closing up all over that country. They're clearly are making way too much money and retiring.

All this time I thought they were closing because it was hard for them to make a living, with all the added permits/exporting cost etc.

^^^^^^^^^^ Sarcasm ^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Not to hijack this post but I noticed on another thread for reloading that someone mentioned that Higginson had a store in Calgary? Can someone pm me the address/contact info.
 
Hmm, everytime I've dealt with Higginson's for supplies and other items I've never felt gouged. I always have a feeling I got a good deal on the products I purchased, and yes I'm sure he made money, but that's what keeps the doors open.

Yes, perhaps the OP needs to open a super discount reloading supply store, undercut everyones prices, and go boobs up after a year.

You wanna play, you gotta pay.
 
I think ya'll need to be #####'n about the cost of the fuel that you use to go to your local retailer to look and drool at firearms and reloading materials. How many just drive many miles to the store each week or do you call first to see what they have. Add your fuel costs to your overall reloading costs. I do not want to even think about it........
 
Jarlath said:
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L-N-L Classic kit, US MSRP is $383.06 US. (Lets assume $ parity, so $1 USD = 1$ CDN).
Large chains in the USA:
Gander Mountain $399.99
Cabela's (Online) $319.99
Bass Pro $349.99

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Now Retailers buy from korth at $375 ($275+$40+$60)
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Hornady is one of those companies that won't export, isn't it? If you were shopping for equipment from somebody like RCBS that is exportable from US to canada (via midsouth or whoever), then it would seem that it would make more sense for our retailers to just skip the Canadian distributors and order direct from a retailer in the US, then apply their markup, but then I suppose that causes warranty issues...

I don't expect retailers to take a loss on equipment just to give the customer a competitive price, but at the end of the day, nobody likes throwing money away. It's too bad that there doesn't seem to be a way for our Cdn dealers to get better pricing on their products. Maybe an easing of export restrictions will result in Cdn retailers being able to order direct from US manufacturers?
 
Powder costs more because of transport....it comes from Canada and then is shipped south to be packaged for sale and then is shipped back north again for sale to Canadians at a higher price.....maybe if we were smart enough to keep some powder in Canada and package it ourselves in French and English we could save a few bucks and protect or sovereignty at the same time!
 
Thing is.. Many Canadian shooters are cheap-skates too.

They all want the greatest gear and best of the best, but can't or won't part with the $
This is why you read the words "Lee", "Tapco", "TacStar" on this board so much..
Or you'll read a post where a guy wants a sub MOA rifle... With a scope, but..... He only has $600 to spend...


If $27/k for primers is too much... Don't buy em
 
saskdude99 said:
Anyplace in Canada that sells reloading supplies at a good price. We are getting raped and pillaged in Canada by the Canadian dealers/distributors. They are 60% of the price in the USA but we can't bring them back(US export laws). Freight might be an extra 8% so the dealers up here are taking 32% more than their American counterparts. This is a shame.
All Hornady comes through Korth Agencies so their are no good deals on Hornady either. I'm sure they are taking 20-25%.right off the top. Powders retail in Montana stores for around 20.00/lb. What are we paying here..over 30.00-40.00. Why double. Sure frieght cost more but the powder companies typically pay the freight on qualifying orders.
Granted permits are required but they are easy! This is the excuse they use. It is actually a money grab.
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Perhaps sir you should consider opening your own retail location and stocking it with 50-75,000.00 dollars worth of goods. I'm sure you will then have a better understanding of why powder and primers are being sold at the current prices, that is if you intend to stay in business and supply a service to your customers
 
Jarlath said:
The thing that gets me is the accusation that the consumer is instantly being gouged. Do you guys have any idea of costs associated to running a business? Have a listen at Chris Anderson's CRRN podcast
http://www.canadianreloadradio.com/crr/00BUCK_JR_BIZZ.mp3


L-N-L Classic kit, US MSRP is $383.06 US. (Lets assume $ parity, so $1 USD = 1$ CDN).
Large chains in the USA:
Gander Mountain $399.99
Cabela's (Online) $319.99
Bass Pro $349.99

Cost at Canadian Retailers? $425-$475

So assume that large chains who purchase huge volumes only make %10 after all associated costs. So volume purchase costs of the press would be roughly $250-275 (Looking at Cabela's).

You mentioned Korth so lets use them as an example.
Korth is a distributor, not a retailer.
So Korth Distributors orders, lets say, 1000 units. Shipping/Brokerage fees costs for 1000 units @ 24lbs apiece.
Shipping multiple pallets for 24,000 lbs of product worth $275,000.
USP freight shipping for that is roughly $40,000 (40 pallets, with stacks of 25 presses, shipping direct from Hornady to Canadian location) Not including brokerage fees (which are usually ridiculous).

So already at least $40 more per press. Plus overhead (people, warehousing, bills) and profit which combines to $60 a press (Remember your suggested Korth markups of 20% profit, whereas I include overhead in).

Now Retailers buy from korth at $375 ($275+$40+$60) and buy 25 presses (600 lbs on a single pallet) also shipped via UPS/FedEx... which equals another $1000 or $40 per press. So retailer cost is already at $405. Plus their overhead and profit. Which since is it not a warehouse/distribution center is probably equal to Korth ($60). So $465 retail cost to you.

Are you assuming that Retailers are getting 20% profit as well?
Lets use your numbers.
$465 for the press in Canada.
-$90 profit for retailer (20%)
-$40 for shipping by retailer
$335 for retailer to buy from Korth.
-$60 profit from Korth (20%)
-$40 for shipping by Korth
$235 for Korth to purchase from Hornady (Does that mean that Cabela's gets nearly 50% markup?). Where is the overhead for Korth and the retailer, the brokerage fees for international shipping etc...?

Tell me again how we are getting raped by Canadian firearms businesses selling products? (I'm not talking service or returns, just costs.)
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All this means absolutely nothing to the consumer!

Bottom line is I can drive over the border and save $100 on the same press!

Overhead, shipping, freight, licensing, blah, blah, blah........

I could buy presses at retail in the US, and sell em for less then many Canadian dealers.

That's F'd up!
 
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