Or you read posts about people seeing the rifle they paid $2400 up here for less than $1100 in the US. I don't think it's fair to call Canadian shooters cheapskates when they likely don't have any more disposable income than their US counterparts, but are expected to pay far higher prices to support their hobby.
Reloading Prices are ridiculous in Canada!!
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Or you read posts about people seeing the rifle they paid $2400 up here for less than $1100 in the US. I don't think it's fair to call Canadian shooters cheapskates when they likely don't have any more disposable income than their US counterparts, but are expected to pay far higher prices to support their hobby.
SASKDUDE99;
"We are getting raped and pillaged in Canada by the Canadian dealers/distributors. "
I am always fascinated by these knowledgeable folks who come up with these brilliant statements
"Freight might be an extra 8% so the dealers up here are taking 32% more than their American counterparts."
I really want to talk with you, it is obvious my forwarders and brokers have been charging way to much would you be open to handling all of our freight forwarding. Have you priced out shipping ammunition lately ?? How about smokeless powders ?
Hell we pay more than 8% of values when moving a truckload of general cargo across the country.
"the powder companies typically pay the freight on qualifying orders."
And it is not reflected in their prices ??
"Granted permits are required but they are easy! This is the excuse they use. It is actually a money grab. "
Now I know I want to hire you, I now realize just how much time and money I have wasted over the years, it would appear you know all the secrets.
An example, last year one easy approval we were seeking took 9 months and cost over $3,000. obviously you could have done easily for next to nothing ?
What about the container of automatics due from Eastern Europe, had I come to you for an easy solution I could have saved 18 months and $25k ? Permits should have been easy?
Surely the export permits out of the USA must be cheaper and easier fo you ?? let us in on the secret.
Can you get Canadian import, magazines and sales licenses at a faster and cheaper rate as well ?
This is very good news indeed, I will give Andrew (Higginson) a call this afternoon and let him know that our salvation is at hand.
I look forward to hearing from you
John
"We are getting raped and pillaged in Canada by the Canadian dealers/distributors. "
I am always fascinated by these knowledgeable folks who come up with these brilliant statements
"Freight might be an extra 8% so the dealers up here are taking 32% more than their American counterparts."
I really want to talk with you, it is obvious my forwarders and brokers have been charging way to much would you be open to handling all of our freight forwarding. Have you priced out shipping ammunition lately ?? How about smokeless powders ?
Hell we pay more than 8% of values when moving a truckload of general cargo across the country.
"the powder companies typically pay the freight on qualifying orders."
And it is not reflected in their prices ??
"Granted permits are required but they are easy! This is the excuse they use. It is actually a money grab. "
Now I know I want to hire you, I now realize just how much time and money I have wasted over the years, it would appear you know all the secrets.
An example, last year one easy approval we were seeking took 9 months and cost over $3,000. obviously you could have done easily for next to nothing ?
What about the container of automatics due from Eastern Europe, had I come to you for an easy solution I could have saved 18 months and $25k ? Permits should have been easy?
Surely the export permits out of the USA must be cheaper and easier fo you ?? let us in on the secret.
Can you get Canadian import, magazines and sales licenses at a faster and cheaper rate as well ?
This is very good news indeed, I will give Andrew (Higginson) a call this afternoon and let him know that our salvation is at hand.
I look forward to hearing from you
John
FASTEX;
"Perhaps sir you should consider opening your own retail location and stocking it with 50-75,000.00 dollars worth of goods. I'm sure you will then have a better understanding of why powder and primers are being sold at the current prices, that is if you intend to stay in business and supply a service to your customers "
Be carefull my friend, you are far too logical, however I do agree with you 100%.
Our fellow member here,SAKDUDE99, seems to have all the answers and is poised to take over the market.... As a matter of fact I would suggest he buy out Marstar that way we won't be put out of business by him.
Thank you for your overview
John
"Perhaps sir you should consider opening your own retail location and stocking it with 50-75,000.00 dollars worth of goods. I'm sure you will then have a better understanding of why powder and primers are being sold at the current prices, that is if you intend to stay in business and supply a service to your customers "
Be carefull my friend, you are far too logical, however I do agree with you 100%.
Our fellow member here,SAKDUDE99, seems to have all the answers and is poised to take over the market.... As a matter of fact I would suggest he buy out Marstar that way we won't be put out of business by him.
Thank you for your overview
John
Wow, ease up on the guy. He's expressing frustration at high costs for Canadian customers. I share the same feelings. Not to mention the low availability of items, accessories, etc.
Like the OP many people only see the price at the register when they're done. And the retailer is always the one that's easiest to blame.
It's a fact: Prices are much higher in Canada for shooting sports, with very few exceptions. Availability, number of choices, etc. are all FAR below what our cousins to the South enjoy.
Like the OP many people only see the price at the register when they're done. And the retailer is always the one that's easiest to blame.
It's a fact: Prices are much higher in Canada for shooting sports, with very few exceptions. Availability, number of choices, etc. are all FAR below what our cousins to the South enjoy.
oh johnone - I never fail to be incredibly entertained by your responses to these threads...
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if the cost is so much, get out of shooting. Go put your hands out and protest tuition rises.
I get incredibly frustrated by these threads.
There are costs of doing business. simple. everyone needs to make a living. and have overhead to continue to stock product. god forbid, someone has a profit margin.
A lot of these hand-me-out-stuff-for-cheap whiners need to give their heads a f*cking shake.
look at minimum wage in the United States; f*ck, look at the rest of the cost of living. Sh*t is cheap because wages are low and it reduces the amount of cost associated. $7.
Now look at Canada:
about $10.
Already your cost is 30% more. JUST TO EMPLOY ONE PERSON. At minimum wage.
God forbid you want a competent person running your business with you, because you want them to stay around and will have to pay them more. They can fill out these "cheap import papers", keep b*tchy customers happy and process orders WITHOUT error.
Now you need to pay rent on your business, phone bills, Internet. What do we pay for that up here compared to the States?
Now there are import companies that bring the product in, because it isn't made in country. They have freight costs, wages.
OP, shake your head. It's a fact of life. No one is gouging anyone here. If they wanted to gouge, they would be lawyers, accountants, or selling car audio equipment ( look at the markup of that sh*t)
The stores that sell these products love this sport as much as we do, so much that they made it their day job. More than most of us can say. If they could lower the cost and encourage more people and keep their doors open, I'm very positive that 98% of them would.
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if the cost is so much, get out of shooting. Go put your hands out and protest tuition rises.
I get incredibly frustrated by these threads.
There are costs of doing business. simple. everyone needs to make a living. and have overhead to continue to stock product. god forbid, someone has a profit margin.
A lot of these hand-me-out-stuff-for-cheap whiners need to give their heads a f*cking shake.
look at minimum wage in the United States; f*ck, look at the rest of the cost of living. Sh*t is cheap because wages are low and it reduces the amount of cost associated. $7.
Now look at Canada:
about $10.
Already your cost is 30% more. JUST TO EMPLOY ONE PERSON. At minimum wage.
God forbid you want a competent person running your business with you, because you want them to stay around and will have to pay them more. They can fill out these "cheap import papers", keep b*tchy customers happy and process orders WITHOUT error.
Now you need to pay rent on your business, phone bills, Internet. What do we pay for that up here compared to the States?
Now there are import companies that bring the product in, because it isn't made in country. They have freight costs, wages.
OP, shake your head. It's a fact of life. No one is gouging anyone here. If they wanted to gouge, they would be lawyers, accountants, or selling car audio equipment ( look at the markup of that sh*t)
The stores that sell these products love this sport as much as we do, so much that they made it their day job. More than most of us can say. If they could lower the cost and encourage more people and keep their doors open, I'm very positive that 98% of them would.
- Location
- Dah Soo,ON
To the OP, you should move to 'Merica. There is a minimum wage job waiting for you and components are cheeeeeap!
- Location
- Midland, ON
Although, $40K to move 40 pallets of TDG/Hazmat is way high priced. We never got even close to that hauling TDG loads. Tops was $12K Internationally and cross country. Our TDG loads also weighed a lot more than you 27K# estimated.
Shipping does not make that much no matter what someone tries to believe.
Shipping does not make that much no matter what someone tries to believe.
one problem and expense all Firearms Retailers have to deal with is financing. Banks will not lend to most if not all in the industry so personal lines of credit are usually used. Add to that International orders are all cash upfront it seems.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Not a surprise.
Go to any manufacturers website, and look at the MSRP.
Very rarely is anything sold at that price, and often much less.
I bet you could find em cheaper stateside though!
There have been Parlimentary hearings about the differential in prices for other consumer goods sold at retail in Canada and the US too.
(Or as I like to portray the issue, the cost of doing business in Canada factor).
Reloading components is an especially extreme example, but there are others too.
Higginson Powder has very competitive pricing on the products they handle, if you buy larger quantities you'll do better on both the unit pricing and percentage of the order consumed by the one-of hazmat charge. If you order enough powder from them they'll even absorb the hazmat fee.
One of the best approaches to such is to organize local buying consortiums to pool orders and maximize discounts.
Natchez will ship many reloading tool products to Canada, and their international shipping rates are about as fair as it gets. I used them when I wanted to get a better delivered price on the RCBS Chargemaster combo than offered in Canada.
(Or as I like to portray the issue, the cost of doing business in Canada factor).
Reloading components is an especially extreme example, but there are others too.
Higginson Powder has very competitive pricing on the products they handle, if you buy larger quantities you'll do better on both the unit pricing and percentage of the order consumed by the one-of hazmat charge. If you order enough powder from them they'll even absorb the hazmat fee.
One of the best approaches to such is to organize local buying consortiums to pool orders and maximize discounts.
Natchez will ship many reloading tool products to Canada, and their international shipping rates are about as fair as it gets. I used them when I wanted to get a better delivered price on the RCBS Chargemaster combo than offered in Canada.
I think most of the issue revolves around distributors being the middle man in Canada where large companies buy direct in the states. There needs to be more specialty shops in Canada that deal in reloading and the shooting sports that have the financial backing to buy direct from the US companies therefore bypassing the distributor. Their margins could be better with VOLUME sell. The smaller dealers could still buy from the distributors and service the local shooter who reloads a few hundred or so rounds a year. When you burn 100gr of powder with one pull of the trigger and powder is 20.00 vs 38.00 and bullets are 27 vs 47 cents each call me cheap if you want. I know that if you specialize, your volumes go up, your costs go down. To many dealers try and do too much and spread themselves too thin.
- Location
- Alberta, let freedom reign!
Yep. Agreed. He's great to deal with.
I buy 1 pound of HP-38 @ $20.27 + tax or 1 pound of Titegroup @ $19.09 + tax from Le Baron in Mississauga, Ontario. I haven't found it cheaper anywhere else. Even buying per pound still costs less than Higginson's bulk prices. Especially if you have to pay the additional hazmat fee for shipping. I guess they don't have the "Lowest powder prices in Canada" as the claim.
I also purchase Winchester primers from Le Baron @ $30 - $32 + tax per 1000. Definitely not the cheapest primer prices I could find but convenient because I'm already there to buy powder.
I choose to use Zero projectiles (My personal preference) @ $110 (Tax in - Cash) per 1000. I could buy cheaper projectile (AIM or Berry) but I find their products to be inferior in quality.
Brass = Free
I also purchase Winchester primers from Le Baron @ $30 - $32 + tax per 1000. Definitely not the cheapest primer prices I could find but convenient because I'm already there to buy powder.
I choose to use Zero projectiles (My personal preference) @ $110 (Tax in - Cash) per 1000. I could buy cheaper projectile (AIM or Berry) but I find their products to be inferior in quality.
Brass = Free
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I guess you're one of the rare people who's time and gas are worth nothing.
For what it's worth I found the Hornady LNL Classic single stage press being sold at a bricks and mortar store in Canada for $145.95.
The price for the same press at midwayusa (who doesn't sell to Canadians) is $137.99.
I also buy my 8lb jugs of Varget from the same store for $200.00
What pisses me off is buying a 4L jug of Mobil1 5w20 here at Walmart for $38.99 when I can drive 1 hour away and get a 5qt (4.73L) jug at Walmart in the US for 23.98.
That's a 92% increase at the same retailer.
Again I won't drive there specifically to purchase oil but when I'm there I definitely buy enough for a years worth of oil changes for all of my vehicles.
As the old saying go's " be happy what you have, instead of what you don't have". I'm most content with what Canada offers from our retailers. Hunters/shooters must shop around for the best prices in Canada. I'm very thankful that I have so much to choose from in the Calgary area, however; many complain. Our opportunities/selection are almost endless with the our outdoor stores and prices are competitive/fair.
Well said canuck.
Here in Mcmurray a few guys get together and do a powder/primer bulk order from Higginsons once per year.
I work with guys my age, around 50, who think nothing of spending $400 on one golf club, or $800 on skates.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Check my location, before jumping to conclusions.
I am closer to Gander Mountain and Buffalo Gun Centre, than I am to any Canadian retailers with such a selection of stuff.
