Breaking firearms for living...

A lot of people don't ralize how to properly de-#### an action. And when you witness someone do it improperly to your gun you have a few choices.

A, you bite your tongue and let them continue to perform the action improperly,
B, you start a thread in an online firearms forum "outing" the wrong do'er,
C, you say (in whatever tone strikes your fancy, polite or otherwise), "hey, did you know if you open the bolt and hold down the trigger while closing it you can avoid dry firing and potentially damaging the gun?" and leave it at that... And go shoot your new gun. Maybe do a review of it.

What gun did you buy anyway?
 
I understand why the op is mad. Its the principle really.

I was in edmonton buying a remington 700 .338Lapua from whole sale a few years ago and just befor we started the papper work as the rifle was on the counter this random employie who was not even part of the deal pickes up the gun and starts playing with it. moving the bolt, cocking and dryfiring it rappidly. I go "Hey" to buddy and he stops, I than look at the guy i was dealing with and ask, "you guys kidding me here" and the guy with my rifle in hand tells me to "calm down, its not bad for the rifle." I gave him the F ur self look and than asked for my pal and drivers licence back. Cancled the deal and went to P&D instead.

Even in my case i know its not bad for the rifle but its compleatly the principle of it.
 
rustysdream said:
Good point. However, I felt that I would be fair to other employees of the store by not blaming them all for doing this practice. I had to single out the person who did it.
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bah, dont worry its the internet. Guns and Cars man. Both have huge online communities and retailers are aware usually that this is where they are judged.

few days from now this post will be a thing of the past and no one will rembember anyway.
 
regulate34 said:
some guns are safe to dry fire. i get where your coming from. Its like buying a new diesel truck and the salesmen dont wait for the glo-plug relay and just fires it up cold.
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You don't need to wait for the glow plugs unless it's cold outside. It's to aide in starting and not a must for starting.
 
Dryfiring might just be the safety procedure. After checking that the firearm is unloaded, the trigger is pulled and the action moved from the cocked stage to the fired stage immediately prior to handing it over to someone else. When a customer claims he was given a "loaded" gun, the salesman can explain the procedure and that the gun was not loaded at the time of transfer.

At the end of a stage in pistol competition, the RO has instructed the same prior to holstering and moving away from the line.
 
Lodi said:
Dryfiring might just be the safety procedure. After checking that the firearm is unloaded, the trigger is pulled and the action moved from the cocked stage to the fired stage immediately prior to handing it over to someone else. When a customer claims he was given a "loaded" gun, the salesman can explain the procedure and that the gun was not loaded at the time of transfer.

At the end of a stage in pistol competition, the RO has instructed the same prior to holstering and moving away from the line.
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Two completely different situations

Store situation - customer should be handed a FA with action open clearly showing an empty chamber and mag ! Eliminates the need for any explanation

Range situation - hammer down or decocking is an established safety procedure for specific shooting disciplines and the FA is not changing hands.
 
On my own firearms, I decide what happens with the trigger.
Due respect should be given to the owner's gear.
"Do you mind if I dry fire your ??"
Really not hard to do.
Gains respect both ways.
"Here, let me wipe that mud off your lense", as he spits
on his thumb and proceeds to do so.......
 
dryfire said:
Store situation - customer should be handed a FA with action open clearly showing an empty chamber and mag ! Eliminates the need for any explanation.
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Many times when transferring a new firearm the store clerk will make sure there is no ammo in the firearm, then close the action...then put it in the factory box.

I don't recall ever having to box my own firearm purchase, the clerk has always done it and thanked me for my business.
 
You don't dry-fire bolt-action rimfires. It shows the store employee's ignorance regarding the subject.
And I fail to understand why there would be any ammo in a gun at a retail outlet.
And if I've bought a firearm, it's mine, don't fvck with it.
I would ask for a new gun in the box with the bolt still in the bag.
You don't know how many times that shelf gun has been dry-fired, or how many customers have done the same thing.
 
Paatz said:
You don't dry-fire bolt-action rimfires. It shows the store employee's ignorance regarding the subject.
And I fail to understand why there would be any ammo in a gun at a retail outlet.
And if I've bought a firearm, it's mine, don't fvck with it.
I would ask for a new gun in the box with the bolt still in the bag.
You don't know how many times that shelf gun has been dry-fired, or how many customers have done the same thing.
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Exactly.
BTW, I did ask for a NIB rifle but they didn't have more.
 
Lodi said:
Many times when transferring a new firearm the store clerk will make sure there is no ammo in the firearm, then close the action...then put it in the factory box.

I don't recall ever having to box my own firearm purchase, the clerk has always done it and thanked me for my business.
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This should happen not just many times , but without fail.
Your initial comment said nothing of boxing the FA in finalizing a sale - your comment was
"...the trigger is pulled and the action moved from the cocked stage to the fired stage immediately prior to handing it over to someone else."

Anytime a FA is handed to anyone the action should be open. If it's in a box they are handing you a box. If an individual accepts a FA with action closed they are as unthinking as the person giving it.

There is no need to dryfire the action under these circumstances. Procedures that are followed in various shooting disciplines and even in occupations are to comply with stipulations in those arenas.
 
It might mean that the salesperson is not aware of the process of holding the trigger while sliding the bolt in to de-#### it.
He may not know the other way to release the bolt other than pulling the trigger.
Some bolts you can grab at the back and hold it open to release the trigger, and then gently let it down.
 
rustysdream said:
...dry fired my brand new rifle before putting it in the box.
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Lodi said:
Dryfiring might just be the safety procedure. After checking that the firearm is unloaded, the trigger is pulled and the action moved from the cocked stage to the fired stage immediately prior to handing it over to someone else.
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Lodi said:
Many times when transferring a new firearm the store clerk will make sure there is no ammo in the firearm, then close the action...then put it in the factory box.
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dryfire said:
This should happen not just many times , but without fail.
Your initial comment said nothing of boxing the FA in finalizing a sale...
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Just posting a reply to the scenario presented.

Sorry, I didn't realize you wanted a reply to something that didn't pertain to the original post.
 
Paatz said:
It might mean that the salesperson is not aware of the process of holding the trigger while sliding the bolt in to de-#### it.
He may not know the other way to release the bolt other than pulling the trigger.
Some bolts you can grab at the back and hold it open to release the trigger, and then gently let it down.
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Exactly.
Ignorant and/or careless people should not work behind the counter selling firearms.
 
Hey Rustysdream,

Sorry to hear about the situation, it is definitely not something that should have taken place. But any further issues regarding our staff just politely ask to speak with one of the gentlemen in the back and we could get the issue resolved at the time. The unhappiness has been brought to Wayne's attention and hopefully you don't have any further negative experiences in our store.
Thanks for your business,
Steve
 
I will take a wild guess and say that the last 22 rimfire firearm that could be damaged by dry firing, was made about 1914. I bought a 22 Smith and Wesson 22 in 1953. The instruction book with it encouraged dry firing, as a great aid to learning to shoot properly.
It has been stated on here that an auto loader, rifle or pistol, must have been dry fired many times, when the shooter thought a cartridge was chambered, but wasn't.
The same is true, but maybe to a lesser extent, with any repeater. Work the bolt, click. Damn, didn't open the bolt enough/didn't load the magazine right, or something else that made the bolt not pick up the cartridge.
Of all the 22 calibre rimfires that I have shot, or seen shot, or examined, I have yet to see a single firearm that has been damaged by dry firing.
 
Here's another take to the story:

kamlooky said:
..."Do you mind if I dry fire your ??".....
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"... so we both know that it functions as designed? I'd hate to have you come back upset, because I did not check it first... ."

... and if given OK by the customer, the clerk shows the empty chamber and magazine well to the customer as proof that the gun is not loaded. Close the bolt, do one dry fire, pull the bolt back, check the pin and chamber, close the bolt with trigger pulled back, and box the gun.

.... maybe in a perfect world...?
 
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