Tavor may be broken *VIDEO* Failure to feed, failure to battery

blaxsun said:
You indicated you were having the problem(s) regardless of magazines, so I think switching back to the mil-spec bolt is worth a try. What about changing up the ammunition as well?

You do realize that the likelihood of malfunctions is directly proportional to the amount you've spent on upgrades, yes? ;)
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That's is the best advice I've seen here. Each and every problem usually starts with either ammo or upgrade parts.

I'm sorry to hear your having these problems. That's an awsome rifle. Probably my next buy. Backwards analyze your gun. Move back to your civil bolt and try the mags. Also switch your ammo and grainage. Also watch for what other problems it could be creating. Maybe it's the bolt that's off a bit and could be causing internal damage.
 
Let's be honest, the only reason to make a post like this is because I'm looking for advice and attention from Blaxsun and PBR Streetgang.

kidding. But we'll see what updates I have tonight
 
TV-PressPass said:
Let's be honest, the only reason to make a post like this is because I'm looking for advice and attention from Blaxsun and PBR Streetgang.

kidding. But we'll see what updates I have tonight
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lol. Well, I've never had so much as a single FTF, FTE or jam on my Tavor - so I'm not sure how relevant any of my observations are. I'm not oiling my piston, though. I've had good results with PMC 55-grain FMJ (I think it prefers stuff with the heavier, mil-spec primers). I'm nowhere near 2,000 rounds yet, though.
 
blaxsun said:
lol. Well, I've never had so much as a single FTF, FTE or jam on my Tavor - so I'm not sure how relevant any of my observations are. I'm not oiling my piston, though. I've had good results with PMC 55-grain FMJ (I think it prefers stuff with the heavier, mil-spec primers). I'm nowhere near 2,000 rounds yet, though.
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This has been my experience as well. I've run all kinds of ammo through mine but mostly shoot 55 pmc. Also Ive never used a Pmag with my tavor. In fact contrary to the trend I don't own a single Pmag. I was planning on trying some out until all the reports regarding bolt damage to the Scar was reported. This made me nervous. Now reports with the Tavor also having this issue.

Oh should add that my Tavor is the Can am version with factory picitany rail. No mods at all. Completely stock. I even left the trigger spring in.
 
Epoxy7 said:
This has been my experience as well. I've run all kinds of ammo through mine but mostly shoot 55 pmc. Also Ive never used a Pmag with my tavor. In fact contrary to the trend I don't own a single Pmag. I was planning on trying some out until all the reports regarding bolt damage to the Scar was reported. This made me nervous. Now reports with the Tavor also having this issue.

Oh should add that my Tavor is the Can am version with factory picitany rail. No mods at all. Completely stock. I even left the trigger spring in.
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I've used a PMAG maybe a few times on my Tavor, at most. Although I abhor the LAR-15 in terms of 'quality', it does offer 10/20-round capacity - and it's actually fairly decent when you replace the followers and base plate. Mine is one of the first (original) batch, so the only thing I've replaced is the factory Mepro mount with a Dlask picatinny rail.
 
That sucks PressPass. The only bad jam I have had with mine was last night when a snap cap took a detour on its way from a Pmag to the chamber and got stuck under the bolt halfway out the ejection port. I think what happened was I hit the bolt release before the mag was all the way in and the round was below the feed ramp and nosed up. The bolt really messed up the snap cap and I am worried the bolt may have been damaged.

Mine has about 4000 rounds through it and someone at Canada Ammo told me they put 20,000 rounds through theirs. 2000 rounds is not a lot. I have used Pmags, aluminum mags, steel mags, Thermold mags, 5/20 Vietnam type mags, extended 5/40 round mags, and Lar-15 mags with no issues.
 
I, as well, have never had a single issue. I do not baby my guns. It bounces around in the truck and tractor. Sure, it doesn't have the high round count but still, never an issue.
 
From another thread:
skrypnyk,

Sounds like short stroking to me too.
Had a simmilar issue with a IDF CTAR. Externally everything looked OK.
Shot the rifle in total darkness wich confirmed my theory.
There was a leakage between the barrel and tha gas block/sight base.

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I could see clearly flash escaping from that area.
Can you shoot the rifle in darknes to see if you have the same problem?

Also take a look here:http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=648930
 
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Ahhhh, very clever pretorian. Very clever indeed.

And in fact . . . why the hell didn't I mention this before?

I did change the gas block when I changed out the rail! Got rid of the folding iron sight on the original gas block. So I'll take a look, but that seems like a possible source of trouble.

Rifle did great yesterday! I was very pleased with it.

BUT

I gave it to a British fellow to test fire a few rounds and he had a double tap. I laughed because it's the civ bolt, but I was foolish enough to run it without the spring.

The saga continues. Tavors are just getting a beating on the forum this weekend eh?
 
TV-PressPass said:
Ahhhh, very clever pretorian. Very clever indeed.

And in fact . . . why the hell didn't I mention this before?

I did change the gas block when I changed out the rail! Got rid of the folding iron sight on the original gas block. So I'll take a look, but that seems like a possible source of trouble.

Rifle did great yesterday! I was very pleased with it.

BUT

I gave it to a British fellow to test fire a few rounds and he had a double tap. I laughed because it's the civ bolt, but I was foolish enough to run it without the spring.

The saga continues. Tavors are just getting a beating on the forum this weekend eh?
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If you have compressed air at your disposal you can check the theory with some soap and water...
If it isn't it let me know.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Compressed air and soap and water?

I do have a couple of cans of air, and a compressor in the garage. But I'm not quite following what you have in mind . . .
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Now i'm certainly no expert, and DO NOT know tavors but:

plug end of barrel,
fill w/ soap and water.
Plug other end, insert compressed air.

run compressed air in. watch to see if bubbles and water escape around gas block.


I think is what he means. kind of like looking for a leak on an inner tube.
 
TV-PressPass said:
I did change the gas block when I changed out the rail! Got rid of the folding iron sight on the original gas block. So I'll take a look, but that seems like a possible source of trouble.

Rifle did great yesterday! I was very pleased with it... BUT...

I gave it to a British fellow to test fire a few rounds and he had a double tap. I laughed because it's the civ bolt, but I was foolish enough to run it without the spring.
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If I had to hazard a guess, that could related. It sounds like the problem is semi-resolved or at least minimized; what was the solution? Did you switch to the mil-spec bolt and/or change the ammunition?

VanIsler said:
No s**t eh? I seriously have doubts about owning one now.
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Why? I'm not sure this scenario is any different that if you'd made a similar modification to any other black rifle. All of these black rifles have had some teething issues: ACR - burst-fire ... Tavor - slam-fire ... XCR - no-fire (loctite)... ;)
 
VanIsler said:
No s**t eh? I seriously have doubts about owning one now.
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Good. Maybe it will keep driving the price down so I can buy a second new un Bubbad Tavor.

I've shot a couple Tavors including my own. I've also seen others shooting them at the range. After the original issue with the civi ammo soft primers and the bolt/firing pin being changed for this I haven't seen issues with these rifles. As for in the field reliability, reports Ive read refer to the Tavor as comparable in reliability to the AK even in sand environments. IDF field tested this rifle in a sand combat environment then made changed as required. It's a mature rifle design with a very good reputation.

If you screw around with it and then have reliability issues it's on you not the rifle design.

That being said the Tavor is clearly a hunk of garbage. If you own one that hasn't been modified Id fire sell it immediately. I have it on good authourity that Mag changed are slow, you can't shoot it weak side on the fly for those JTF2 style clearings, it's inacurate, you expose too much around corners, there aren't enough rails, the triggers suck, it's a safety risk because the chamber is by your face and no special elite Alpha dog units want them. Now we learn they are unreliable too. We need to stick together on this. Join the winning team until this bullpup craze blows over. :p
 
Epoxy7 said:
Good. Maybe it will keep driving the price down so I can buy a second new un Bubbad Tavor.
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But what about the FS2000...? ;)

Epoxy7 said:
I've shot a couple Tavors including my own. I've also seen others shooting them at the range. After the original issue with the civi ammo soft primers and the bolt/firing pin being changed for this I haven't seen issues with these rifles. As for in the field reliability, reports Ive read refer to the Tavor as comparable in reliability to the AK even in sand environments. IDF field tested this rifle in a sand combat environment then made changed as required. It's a mature rifle design with a very good reputation.
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Good enough for the IDF... good enough for us. :D

Epoxy7 said:
If you screw around with it and then have reliability issues it's on you not the rifle design.
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:rolleyes:

Epoxy7 said:
That being said the Tavor is clearly a hunk of garbage. I have it on good authourity that you can't shoot it weak side on the fly for those JTF2 style clearings, it's inacurate, you expose too much around corners, there aren't enough rails, the triggers suck, it's a safety risk because the chamber is by your face and no special elite Alpha dog units want them. Now we learn they are unreliable too. We need to stick together on this. Join the winning team until this bullpup craze blows over. :p
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Haha. Good one. So how much are you selling your Tavor for again? ;)
 
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