Tavor may be broken *VIDEO* Failure to feed, failure to battery

If I had to give a diagnosis right now I would say: Extensive use with unmodified P-mags caused minor damage to the bolt resulting in the failures I've been seeing. Changing the bolt and cleaning up the P-mags may have solved this.

I hope thats all it is.

Alternately, installing the low profile gas block has resulted in the rifle short stroking. I'm not sure what to do to solve that if this proves to be the case.

I dont in any way regret buying my Tavor! It's still my favourite rifle and on my "never-sell" list.

Although after shooting another fellows 20" heavy barrel AR with a brake . . . I might rethink my surefire flashider and try out some kind of real brake down the line. More jump in the Tavor than in his front heavy beast.
 
TV-PressPass said:
If I had to give a diagnosis right now I would say: Extensive use with unmodified P-mags caused minor damage to the bolt resulting in the failures I've been seeing. Changing the bolt and cleaning up the P-mags may have solved this. I hope thats all it is.

Alternately, installing the low profile gas block has resulted in the rifle short stroking. I'm not sure what to do to solve that if this proves to be the case.

I dont in any way regret buying my Tavor! It's still my favourite rifle and on my "never-sell" list.

Although after shooting another fellows 20" heavy barrel AR with a brake . . . I might rethink my surefire flashider and try out some kind of real brake down the line. More jump in the Tavor than in his front heavy beast.
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Possibly a combination of the two? Interesting side-note: I just compared my original Lancer L5's against the new Lancer L5 Warfighter and I noticed that they also enlarged the cutout on the rear of the magazine. I wonder if the original L5's had similar problems to the PMAG...?

Get an AAC Blackout.

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Interesting note: One of the gentlemen at the range on sunday had an FS2000. Said he didn't like it. I hope he brings it next month for a bull-pup duel.
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I'd definitely like to see a shoot-out!
 
Get an AAC Blackout.
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Surefire 215 count? Almost the same style as an AAC, and for twice the price it must be better . . . right? Thats how guns work right? More money is always better!

If anyone else in the Calgary area has an FS2000 and wants to set up a competitive run and gun against the Tavor . . . consider the gauntlet flung at your feet.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Surefire 215 count? Almost the same style as an AAC, and for twice the price it must be better . . . right? Thats how guns work right? More money is always better!

If anyone else in the Calgary area has an FS2000 and wants to set up a competitive run and gun against the Tavor . . . consider the gauntlet flung at your feet.
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I meant a AAC 51T Blackout if you wanted a brake. Or a PWS FSC works, too (although it's a tad longer). If only I was in Calgary... ;)
 
I'll mention this just in case it is helpful.

I had the privelege of shooting the very first Tavor in Canada, and if memory serves me correctly, was the first to actually shoot the rifle. What struck me about the Tavor at the time was its extreme reliability.

Now that same rifle went across Canada on loan and was shot by multiple people using all manner of ammunition. When it came back (we guess about 20,000 rounds later) I shot it again. Within a very short time I had jamming issues similar to what you describe, dinged cased, jammed up against the bolt.

We spent some time trying to sort out the problem, cleaned the gun and bolt and discovered a small shard of brass hiding in the recesses of the bolt. At this point we decided to give the bolt an ultra sonic cleaning overnight and see what happened.

The next time I fired the rifle it was running smooth as it did the first time I shot it.

Good luck solving your issue, hopefully its just as simple to resolve.
 
Now that IS interesting gothmog! When I switched out the bolts last week I did run air through the inside of my mil bolt and noticed the tiny gold mine of brass that came out. lots of little flecks and sparkles. I should clean it a little more thoroughly and do a stress test.
 
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Now that IS interesting gothmog! When I switched out the bolts last week I did run air through the inside of my mil bolt and noticed the tiny gold mine of brass that came out. lots of little flecks and sparkles. I should clean it a little more thoroughly and do a stress test.
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Sounds familiar .... make it a detail clean of the bolt, take it apart.

And if you have a ultrasonic cleaner, use it.
 
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Compressed air and soap and water?

I do have a couple of cans of air, and a compressor in the garage. But I'm not quite following what you have in mind . . .
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DO NOT FILL THE BARREL WITH SOAPY WATER!
Put on some safety glasses.
Put some soapy water on the area I red circled on the pictures I posted.
If you can, block the muzzle (not necessary,but helps.)
Run some compressed air from the chamber.
See if bubbles are being created in the gas block area.
Let me know what happens.

BTW, removing the gas block/sight base from the barrel is a job for echelon 3 armorers with special tools.
 
DARKSTANG said:
Kind of makes the flash hider pointless, doesn't it?
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I've seen hundreds of thousands of rounds going threw tens of Tavors.
This happened once. Talked to armorers in the IDF, they never heard of this problem.
The flash escaped into a closed space inside the stock so it had nothing to do with combat flash signature.
 
pretorian said:
I've seen hundreds of thousands of rounds going threw tens of Tavors.
This happened once. Talked to armorers in the IDF, they never heard of this problem.
The flash escaped into a closed space inside the stock so it had nothing to do with combat flash signature.
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Even if it did, I would still want one. I've had worse problems with worse outcomes on AR's. The Tavor is no different than any other rifle. I think its pretty awsome. I'm thinking its the brass hiding where it shouldn't be, syndrome. Its info like that, that makes it worth reading these posts. Someday ill buy one and I will have all the info you folks have given me through this post.
Thanks guys.
 
blaxsun said:
But what about the FS2000...? ;)



Good enough for the IDF... good enough for us. :D



:rolleyes:



Haha. Good one. So how much are you selling your Tavor for again? ;)
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The price is still too high on the FS2000. I'd want to change it to non restricted. I consider the FS2000 if it came non restricted with bull barrel. I'd have to get one then. It's probably just a matter of time before I get one but it will have to wait. Or be such a good deal I have to buy it.

No eye rolls. Or Ill sign you up for a yearly subscription to XCR monthly the magazine of the true XCR fan. I'll make sure it isn't delivered in a descrete package!! If you change stuff around on it which creates problems then that's not a reflection of the rifle design. Questar ACR for example. The gunsmith or install which caused problems no way reflects on the ACR rifle reliability. That's on the person or company making the changes.

My Tavor isn't for sale. I wouldn't want to sell my problem onto some unsuspecting person. Imagine the complaints when they think they are buying an unreliable rifle and instead get a great reliable rifle. :p
 
Epoxy7 said:
The price is still too high on the FS2000. I'd want to change it to non restricted. I consider the FS2000 if it came non restricted with bull barrel. I'd have to get one then. It's probably just a matter of time before I get one but it will have to wait. Or be such a good deal I have to buy it.

No eye rolls. Or Ill sign you up for a yearly subscription to XCR monthly the magazine of the true XCR fan. I'll make sure it isn't delivered in a descrete package!! If you change stuff around on it which creates problems then that's not a reflection of the rifle design. Questar ACR for example. The gunsmith or install which caused problems no way reflects on the ACR rifle reliability. That's on the person or company making the changes.

My Tavor isn't for sale. I wouldn't want to sell my problem onto some unsuspecting person. Imagine the complaints when they think they are buying an unreliable rifle and instead get a great reliable rifle. :p
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I'm still confused why we can't just weld a flash hider on to the FS2000 and make it nonrestricted like the US does. That would make things less expensive, for sure.
 
DARKSTANG said:
I'm still confused why we can't just weld a flash hider on to the FS2000 and make it nonrestricted like the US does. That would make things less expensive, for sure.
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the liberals closed that door long ago with the m1 carbine- "one contigous piece, with rifling throughout-" or words to that effect- that means you can weld on a flashhider, brake, suppressor or whatever, and it DOESN'T COUNT
there's nothing confusing about it
 
t-star said:
the liberals closed that door long ago with the m1 carbine- "one contigous piece, with rifling throughout-" or words to that effect- that means you can weld on a flashhider, brake, suppressor or whatever, and it DOESN'T COUNT
there's nothing confusing about it
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It's not that. The confusing part is why would they be so ridiculous about it. The whole law was about concealment, not making the rifle a little more accurate. Lol!
I guess one could say there is a lack of understanding on why they wrote such a ridiculous law to begin with, but I guess that goes without saying. Politics is stupid.
 
hey, they're liberals- that door was closed at roughly the same time as the fnc1 went restricted, but you could get some furrin made fn, and it was non- restricted- it was only when another shipment of those( i believe they were aussie) hit our shores that they "got wise" ; similar to what the springfield arms m1a and the norco 305 and the real m14s have at the moment
 
t-star said:
hey, they're liberals- that door was closed at roughly the same time as the fnc1 went restricted, but you could get some furrin made fn, and it was non- restricted- it was only when another shipment of those( i believe they were aussie) hit our shores that they "got wise" ; similar to what the springfield arms m1a and the norco 305 and the real m14s have at the moment
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Anyone have a prybar?
Love to open those doors again.
 
so wait, PMAGS actually damage the bolt?

Or PMAGS just effect function while in the gun. then upon removal it goes back to the good old days.
 
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