ATT for what？

[kps1911]

One year probationary period!

That is a little messed up I will admit.

Also, just so it is clear these probationary shoots are only for restricteds, and to obtain an ATT.

Why is it messed up, if you can obtain your ATT immediately upon joining provided you have at least one restricted registered in your name (<--CFO requirement)? Other than not being able to become a director or RSO, there are no restrictions placed on the new member.

The 12 shoots are NOT just for restricted. You can shoot trap, play with your milsurps, sight in your hunting rifle or shoot your restricted...it does not matter...a shoot is a shoot.

 

[.223Rem]

It's a club thing. Ranges in ontario want a range safety (live fire) course before they will get you an ATT. I found it fun, it was lumped in with my RPAL course and we got to spent 8 hours over the weekend shooting.

The 6 probationary shoots thing is super lame. I'd look for a new club.

 

[OICU812]

Maximum ###ness indeed, good luck!

 

[dinsdale]

What the CFO in Ontario requires:
Clubs apply for the LTATT of members.
Clubs give new members the CSSA Pistol course (CSSA not only knows about this, they designed the course for it) and at least one supervised shoot. The instructors provide guns and ammunition for this.
Clubs send in notice when a member does not renew as they revoke his LTATT.

 

[WestIslandRifle]

Back from range, I was going there for my 3rd probationary shooting.

Only one gentleman carried his pistol to the range but he didn't want anyone touch it. There were 2 more guys there waiting so I decided to leave.

ATT should be a policy to keep everyone safe and have fun with target shooting. Right?

Hope I can get these 6 probationary shooting finished before summer is gone.

Happy shooting!

PROBATIONARY SHOOTING???? what the hell is up with that ?

 

[enefgee]

You know your gun club rules are f*cked when guys from Quebec say they're f*cked. So far BC has remained BS free in that regard - the only shooting courses I've taken at my club were ones I wanted to take. Given that we have very few club rules on some ranges at my clubs - some have no posted rules beyond sign in, put the flag up and don't be an idiot - you'd think there'd be carnage, surprisingly though (?) the only person who has been injured on any of the ranges I shoot at was a police firearms instructor. Oh yes, and those dues are highway robbery - I pay less for 2 memberships than you guys pay for one.

 

[WestIslandRifle]

 

[ZeroZero3]

You know your gun club rules are f*cked when guys from Quebec say they're f*cked. So far BC has remained BS free in that regard - the only shooting courses I've taken at my club were ones I wanted to take. Given that we have very few club rules on some ranges at my clubs - some have no posted rules beyond sign in, put the flag up and don't be an idiot - you'd think there'd be carnage, surprisingly though (?) the only person who has been injured on any of the ranges I shoot at was a police firearms instructor. Oh yes, and those dues are highway robbery - I pay less for 2 memberships than you guys pay for one.

Same here, go shoot when you want as long that there is somebody with you, doesn't need to be a member and don't do anything stupid. All that for under 80$ a year.

 

[VLT79]

It's very simple...if you don't want to put up with that kind of BS then don't encourage it by joining that club. Clubs with policies like that should be avoided at all costs. Give your $$$ to a club that welcomes new shooters and promotes the shooting sports. The BS policies previously mentioned in other comments are only deterring "young blood" from an already dying hobby!

 

[dinsdale]

It's very simple...if you don't want to put up with that kind of BS then don't encourage it by joining that club. Clubs with policies like that should be avoided at all costs. Give your $$$ to a club that welcomes new shooters and promotes the shooting sports. The BS policies previously mentioned in other comments are only deterring "young blood" from an already dying hobby!

Hence the CFO mandated policy of clubs doing ATT's and New Shooter courses etc. in the 1st place.

 

[mlehtovaara]

It's very simple...if you don't want to put up with that kind of BS then don't encourage it by joining that club. Clubs with policies like that should be avoided at all costs. Give your $$$ to a club that welcomes new shooters and promotes the shooting sports. The BS policies previously mentioned in other comments are only deterring "young blood" from an already dying hobby!

Did you miss the part where we already explained that every club in Southern Ontario is doing this?

Yeah, let me drive 4 hours to a different club instead. Thats not gonna deter anyone right?

 

[Mr-X]

Aurora Gun Club requires you to put 20 out of 20 shots on a standard pistol target at 25 yards before you can become a full member and get an ATT.

 

[VLT79]

Did you miss the part where we already explained that every club in Southern Ontario is doing this?

Yeah, let me drive 4 hours to a different club instead. Thats not gonna deter anyone right?

Didn't miss it...but I must have missed the explanation as to why some are pointlessly complaining about the issues with Southern Ontario's clubs if there is nothing that can be done about it???

 

[IM_Lugger]

So after you become a full member there will always be people asking to shoot your gun and bum ammo form you? That's pretty messed up, I have no problems letting people play with my toys but that would get annoying fast.

 

[mlehtovaara]

Didn't miss it...but I must have missed the explanation as to why some are pointlessly complaining about the issues with Southern Ontario's clubs if there is nothing that can be done about it???

Most clubs have organized probation shoots, with club guns on hand.

This particular club is ####ed if you ask me.

Most of those complaining are not from Southern Ontario, and like you do not realize this is a big problem not easily avoided or changed.

 

[VLT79]

Most clubs have organized probation shoots, with club guns on hand.

This particular club is f**ked if you ask me.

Most of those complaining are not from Southern Ontario, and like you do not realize this is a big problem not easily avoided or changed.

From that, I gather that most of your clubs (southern Ontario) are in reality a business, right?

Or are they a non-profit organization "owned and run" by all members in good standing?

How many members at the particular gun club you attend?

 

[xHEADSHOTx]

From that, I gather that most of your clubs (southern Ontario) are in reality a business, right?

Correct.

Or are they a non-profit organization "owned and run" by all members in good standing?

No, although the members have some control.

How many members at the particular gun club you attend?

Near 500 (just for handgun I believe)

Look, this isn't buck-f**k Idaho. Ontario has three times the population when compared to BC. The next closest being Quebec at just over half of Ontario's population. Give your head a shake.

 

[kps1911]

Believe it or not some of this crap is legacy club policies left over from "the good old days" prior to C-68. Gun ownership in densely populated southern Ontario was never a piece of cake.

 

[onei]

That's pretty sad ,
do they get you to put a big red sticker on your back with the letter "L" on it ?

All thats required for the range I belong to is a gate key so I can get in.
sign my name and put up a red flag

 

[mlehtovaara]

From that, I gather that most of your clubs (southern Ontario) are in reality a business, right?

Some are, but these policies are in place in at least 2 clubs local to me that are membership owned, and operated, not for profit clubs.

Or are they a non-profit organization "owned and run" by all members in good standing?

Most are not for profit run clubs, and much of what is discussed here is CFO imposed/suggested such as the CSSA restricted/ATT course.

How many members at the particular gun club you attend?

My club which is for profit I believe, is I believe the largest around with I believe 2000 members, which has actually had to cap membership recently not allowing new members till the new year. Not sure if that is CFO or club ownership standards. None of these regulations are for profit, and it is proven by their decision to close the membership.

If you want to hear even more BS, we have just recently had to impose a range orientation/rules course before allowing access to the action/run and gun range because too many idiots were not following rules, and shooting up club property or doing dumb s**t with guns. Again I am not sure if this was CFO or Owner imposed, but knowing the owners pretty well this kind of policy does not come on a whim, or for no reason. There is alot of asshat "new shooters" who do not take anything seriously and lack respect for the club and it's membership.

Personally I don't disagree with the probationary shoots. There is more than a few members I have seen who shouldn't be there and if they can be filtered out then I am all for it.

And that is not to be taken as I don't want new shooters! i just want responsible ones who take it seriously and don't f**k it up for everyone else!

One thing my club deals with which many don't is the walk in guest passes, and this creates alot of issues IMHO. These are the people with no vested interest in the club, and many take full advantage of that fact. This is why I am rarely out on the weekends, and during hunting season especially!