Canadian involvement in the Pacific in WWII?

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I know this is a gun forum, but with the wealth of knowledge some CGNers have I thought I would ask here.
How involved were Canadian forces in the Pacific in WWII? I know they were involved in the Aleution (sp?) Island campaign and the battle of Hong Kong but did their involvement run any deeper than that?

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Operation Downfall
The Canadian 6th Division had been formed and was training to take part in the proposed invasion of Japan. Canadian ships in the British Pacific Fleet and bomber squadrons transferred from Europe with Tiger Force would also have been involved. The invasion was rendered unnecessary by the use of nuclear weapons against Japan.

Canadians in South East Asia

Canadian involvement in Asia during the Second World War consisted primarily of participation by the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF). Although a few Canadians did serve in Royal Navy ships, no units of the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) served in this area.

Two dozen Canadian Army officers were attached to the British Fourteenth Army in Burma and South East Asia Command Headquarters as 'observers' during the latter part of 1944. In addition, 18 'Canloan' officers - infantry subalterns borrowed by the British to make up the recurring loss of combat leaders - arrived on the scene in the summer of 1945.
About 40 Canadians, half of them primarily linguists of Chinese or Japanese descent, also served in Force 136, a British intelligence organization that operated behind Japanese lines. These men were involved in recruiting and training native guerrillas, engaging in sabotage, ambush and deception, and transmitting information about enemy activities. Two other Canadians served in a Combined Operations' Sea Reconnaissance Unit (SRU) as the 'frogmen of Burma', spearheading Fourteenth Army's crossings of the Irrawaddy River in February and March 1945.

Perhaps the most unlikely Canadian unit represented in South East Asia was the Veteran's Guard of Canada. In the summer of 1944, and again in the spring of 1945, contingents of the Veterans were employed as 'mule skinners', escorting shiploads of mules from the United States to India and eventually the jungles of Assam and the Arakan where they were much needed for transportation.

One Canadian, who had left British Columbia at the age of 21 to take up a regular commission in the British Army, deserves special mention. Charles Ferguson Hoey of the Lincolnshire Regiment won a Military Cross in Burma in 1943 and then a posthumous Victoria Cross on February 16, 1944 for his "outstanding gallantry and leadership" in taking a Japanese strongpoint.

Canadian airmen were in the South East Asia theatre even before the initial Japanese attacks of December 1941. When war broke out in 1939, few skills had been in greater demand among the Allied armed forces than those associated with radio operation and maintenance - skills which were valuable not only for their own sake, but which could be readily be applied to the new and still mysterious arts of Radio Detection Finding, or 'radar' as it was subsequently called. By the end of 1940, Canada had added several hundred trained radiomen to the strength of the Royal Air Force (RAF). These men had been hurriedly enlisted in the RCAF and sent to England for courses which qualified them as radar operators and mechanics. A number of graduates in electrical engineering had also been commissioned and loaned to the RAF to command or administer the stream of radar and signals units that were constantly being formed.

Many of these radio personnel were then posted overseas, to the Middle or Far East. By December 1941, about 350 RCAF other ranks and 50 officers were serving in the RAF's Far Eastern Command. A month later, at least 35 Canadian aircrew, early graduates of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, were also serving in RAF squadrons in South East Asia. By April 1942, this number had more than doubled as the British and Dutch were driven out of Malaya, Singapore, the Netherlands' East Indies (now Indonesia), and much of Burma.

Some of the Canadians flew Consolidated Catalina flying-boats on maritime reconnaissance patrols, an occupation that soon had to be largely abandoned in face of Japanese air superiority. Most of the Catalinas were then diverted to night bombing operations. Some Canadian fighter pilots accompanied 50 Hawker Hurricanes from the Middle East which arrived in Singapore on January 13, 1942. The Hurricanes were expected to all before them but, although they could match the enemy's speed and carried a heavier armament, they proved unable to turn with the Japanese in dogfights and were further handicapped by an inadequate ground control system. Singapore surrendered on February 15, 1942, and two Canadian radar technicians were among the 70,000 Commonwealth troops taken prisoner there. Only 18 or 20 Hurricanes (plus 24 obsolete American fighters) were left to continue the battle from Sumatra and Java.

The Japanese attack on Sumatra began on February 14, 1942 with paratroop landings on the airfields at Palembang. Two Canadian pilots were captured while leading a makeshift force of RAF groundcrew, British Army anti-aircraft gunners and Dutch colonial infantry in hand-to-hand fighting against the invaders. By the time Java fell on March 8, 1942, an indeterminate number of Canadians had been wounded and 26 taken prisoner.

The End of the Pacific War
As millions of people celebrated Victory-in-Europe (V-E) Day, the Allied leaders grimly prepared for the final struggle in the Pacific, where the full weight of the Allied Forces would now be applied against Japan. Canada, too, prepared for the assault.
Nearly 80,000 Canadians volunteered to join the Pacific forces and began concentrating at nine stations across Canada in July 1945.
Canadian naval participation was also to have been impressive: 60 ships, manned by 13,500 men.
However, the war was over before this help was needed. President Truman of the United States had made the fateful decision to use the atomic bomb.

On August 6, 1945, the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, a city of over 100,000 people. The results were terrifying. A third of the city was obliterated; the rest lay in ruins. Three days later, a second and larger bomb totally destroyed the port of Nagasaki. The Japanese government sued for peace on the following day and, on August 14, 1945, Japan accepted the Allied terms of unconditional surrender. The Second World War was over.
 
There are still some members of Force 136 (commando unit) around who you can see every Remembrance Day proudly wearing their medals at Victory Square in Vancouver. You might remember that in the film "Bridge on the River Kwai" the commando force included a caucasian Canadian. Those were from SEO or Force 136. Part of this force were Chinese-Canadians who were recruited to blend in with locals and organize guerrilla forces in Burma and Malaysia. At the time Chinese were not allowed to serve with regular forces so when the opportunity came up to become commandos, wireless operators and spies they volunteered even though obviously the risks were far greater. If you were caught, you were tortured and executed. You had no POW status.

Some Japanese also served in Force 136.
 
I think the last VC awarded in WW2 was won in the Pacific by a Canadian, Robert Hampton Gray, an airman of the RCAF attached to the RN Fleet Air Arm. He was making a bombing run on a Japanese destroyer and his plane was hit by anti aircraft fire and in flames. Instead of breaking off or bailing out he completed his run, scored a direct hit, sinking the destroyer but unfortunately crashed and was killed. August 9,1945.
I read somewhere that the Japanese erected a memorial to him for bravery.
 
I think the last VC awarded in WW2 was won in the Pacific by a Canadian, Robert Hampton Gray, an airman of the RCAF attached to the RN Fleet Air Arm. He was making a bombing run on a Japanese destroyer and his plane was hit by anti aircraft fire and in flames. Instead of breaking off or bailing out he completed his run, scored a direct hit, sinking the destroyer but unfortunately crashed and was killed. August 9,1945.
I read somewhere that the Japanese erected a memorial to him for bravery.

And it is the ONLY monument to a foreign comabtant on Japanese soil. Many witnessed his final attack and were impressed enough to honor him that way.
 
Don't forget the Hong Kong vets. A lot of young Canadian soldiers lost there lives when the Japanese took Hong Kong or later in the POW camps.

The Winnipeg Grenadiers were wiped out there. Company Sergeant-Major John Robert Osborn, VC was awarded (posthumously) the Victoria Cross for his actions at Hong Kong.

Their treatment is still a sore point with many of the surviving vets.

http://www.canadaatwar.ca/content-45/world-war-ii/the-winnipeg-grenadiers-at-hong-kong/
 
The Catalina pilot who was later referred to as the Saviour of Ceylon was also a Canadian.

I don't think most people have a clue as to the extant of the RCAF participation in Burma and South East Asia. By wars end anywhere up to 40% of the Liberator bomber aircrews were RCAF crewed. While the bomber squadrons were not RCAF themselves, their crews were an assortment of the Commonwealth and highly represented by Canada by wars end. The training ground for the Liberator bombers was in Boudary Bat BC. The crews then flew across the Atlantic and forward on to India. Leslie Nielsen, the recently passed away comedian was an air gunner on ready to go on his way when the war ended abruptly.

This doesn't even take into account the RCAF squadrons flying Dakotas in support of the campaign.
 
Annette island was commanded and serviced by RCAF personel all through WW2. It was the only US Mainland Base commanded by foreign military personel.
 
There were Canadians at Nagasaki when it got hit.

Worked with one of them, many years ago. He was a Hong Kong vet, RWR, taken to Japan as slave labour. Toward the end of the war they were in a camp up on the reverse of the escarpment around Nagasaki. Nagasaki means "Harbour City" and most of the city was in a big bowl around the seaport. These POWs were woken up in the morning and given a handful of rice, then they were marched up to the top of the escarpment and down and through the city to the waterfront. They then got to spend the next 12 hours unloading ships, the Japs being pulling everything back to the home islands by that time. Their 12-hour shift over, they marched back through the city, up the escarpment and back into their camp, where they got another handful of rice.

He told me that they knew that "something" had happened at Hiroshima because the Jap guards, never very good at all, became positively savage for the next 3 days. Then it was Nagasaki's turn. Suddenly, the Jap guards became very, very, very friendly, smiling a whole big bunch. Then the news that the war was over.

The prisoners were marched down through the city one last time, about a week or so after the Bomb, got onto ships and away at last. My informant, who I knew as a 180-pound man, weighed less than 90 pounds at that time.

The man who told me this was John "Jack" Pople who, at the time I worked under him, was the Registrar of Land Titles for the Province of Manitoba. He taught me how to do a proper legal title search.... which has come in handy a few times since.

About that time, Manitoba was becoming as blatantly bilingual as it dared and the civil service was being overrun with militant "francophones" who would only speak French when they thought there was a chance of embarrassing the "old Anglo". They had nearly all been raised in Manitoba and spoke English perfectly. What they didn't know was that Jack Pople spoke French very well and understood it perfectly. So when some young snot would ask him a question..... in French...... Jack would give them the correct answer...... in Japanese.

That usually took care of snotty questions!
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IIRC HMCS Uganda (later Ontario) served with the British Pacific Fleet.

Spoke to someone whose brother served on her. They made some impression on the USN with their propensity for going CLOSE inshore when bombarding, like ten feet of water under the keel, so he said. Then the gubbermint asked anyone who'd rather go home to put up their hands, and that of course was the end of that.
 
The Catalina pilot who was later referred to as the Saviour of Ceylon was also a Canadian.

I don't think most people have a clue as to the extant of the RCAF participation in Burma and South East Asia. By wars end anywhere up to 40% of the Liberator bomber aircrews were RCAF crewed. While the bomber squadrons were not RCAF themselves, their crews were an assortment of the Commonwealth and highly represented by Canada by wars end. The training ground for the Liberator bombers was in Boudary Bat BC. The crews then flew across the Atlantic and forward on to India. Leslie Nielsen, the recently passed away comedian was an air gunner on ready to go on his way when the war ended abruptly.

This doesn't even take into account the RCAF squadrons flying Dakotas in support of the campaign.
My father in law piloted a Catalina in Burma, and was a personal friend of Len Birchall. He's in the Burma Star Association.
 
A man named George Vasseur from Swift Current was with the US army in the Pacific. He was an american but moved to Canada after the war. He told me a story of being on the beach when a Jap plane was shot down and came skidding to a halt on the sand. The pilot popped the canopy and stood up, he said every gun there opened up on the pilot. the end
 
Don't forget the Hong Kong vets. A lot of young Canadian soldiers lost there lives when the Japanese took Hong Kong or later in the POW camps.

The Winnipeg Grenadiers were wiped out there. Company Sergeant-Major John Robert Osborn, VC was awarded (posthumously) the Victoria Cross for his actions at Hong Kong.

Their treatment is still a sore point with many of the surviving vets.

http://www.canadaatwar.ca/content-45/world-war-ii/the-winnipeg-grenadiers-at-hong-kong/


The British Army had a barracks in Hong Kong named after him. The commemorative plaque said he deliberately smothered a grenade with his body. (I stayed there for a couple of weeks while on a course in 1986.)

A fellow from a local family graduated from RMC and took a commission in the Indian Army. It was certainly not common for the Indian Army to commission officers from Kingston or any other source outside Britain. He is the only case I have actually heard of, though of course there may have been fellows from the Empire and Commonwealth who went to England for schooling and got in that way. (The Indian Army in those days was large and offered a lot of scope for an officer's career, along with good pay and relative cheap living.) He ended up in Burma with 14th Army, volunteered for Chindits and went Missing In Action. (Still not back yet. This story was told to me by his nephew.)
 
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