ORA CQB Gear - setup questions

Bolivar said:
MMMMMMM Serpa.

However, you might want to try SFRC unless you ordered already

http://http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=340_341

That is only the holster though, maybe your Optics Planet cost included a thigh rig too?

Also, lots of guys HATE Serpas and many instructors won't allow them on their courses. I am considering buying something different if I go on a course that prohibits them. Someday I will get around to research.

I like mine and it is totally good to go for CQB but be aware regardless. Heck, the MD loves them so they cant' be total crap.

But post a Serpa question in the Action Shooting forum and you will have your head ripped off (figuratively of course). Do a search up there if you like. And once you read all the negativity towards them.....buy it anyway :)
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Yah I here yah with the IPSC regs as I have my black badge and compete.
They don't like Tacti-Cool :) LOL

From all my research it should have the straps included! I hope...

http://www.opticsplanet.net/blackhawk-tactical-serpa-holster-right-hand-draw.html

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Level-2-Tactical-SERPA-Holster,1173,1427.htm

REVIEW:
http://youtu.be/hEBf0jx8-KA
 
Bolivar: If I don't have my Black Badge for CQB, will my #### fall :eek: off ?

Okay, jokes aside, I got my new Tac Vest, a 5.11 VTAC Molle rig just set up with my Tactical Tailor pouches! Pics coming up soon!

Cheers,
Barney
 
I'm still undecided on the Serpa, most versions would appear to put the finger on the frame if you leave it in place after activating the release. But there is strong evidence that many have managed to do it. It may be poor training but the release does sort of lend itself to getting the finger close to the trigger on the draw as opposed to the conventional style holster. The bigger issue to me is the exposed mechanism that can be filled with dirt an crap when shooting from the modified prone position...I guess time will tell if it's a factor in the CQB matches or not....
 
PH Racing said:
I'm still undecided on the Serpa, most versions would appear to put the finger on the frame if you leave it in place after activating the release. But there is strong evidence that many have managed to do it. It may be poor training but the release does sort of lend itself to getting the finger close to the trigger on the draw as opposed to the conventional style holster. The bigger issue to me is the exposed mechanism that can be filled with dirt an crap when shooting from the modified prone position...I guess time will tell if it's a factor in the CQB matches or not....
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Your concern can be over come with the careful application of a shaped charge. Very careful. LOL

As for the modified prone, I THINK we would have to wallow around for a long time for it to be a problem. Time will tell.

Hungary's quick release holster set up is a possible solution for that.
 
PH Racing said:
I'm still undecided on the Serpa, most versions would appear to put the finger on the frame if you leave it in place after activating the release. But there is strong evidence that many have managed to do it. It may be poor training but the release does sort of lend itself to getting the finger close to the trigger on the draw as opposed to the conventional style holster. The bigger issue to me is the exposed mechanism that can be filled with dirt an crap when shooting from the modified prone position...I guess time will tell if it's a factor in the CQB matches or not....
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You are drawing the pistol hammer down on an empty chamber.....so there is no safety issue.

I use and recommend the Serpa on a drop leg for cqb. I rotate mine to the front of my leg in the modified prone so it is out of the way.

In a game where you are drawing live (especially with a striker fired gun) from the waist I would go with other options.
 
Getting in the habit of having the finger fall on the trigger is bad whether the gun is loaded or not. The finger should never go in the trigger guard until the gun is presented to the target. You may not end up putting a new orifice in yourself with a chamber empty start but it's still no reason to allow the finger near the trigger.
 
PH Racing said:
Getting in the habit of having the finger fall on the trigger is bad whether the gun is loaded or not. The finger should never go in the trigger guard until the gun is presented to the target. You may not end up putting a new orifice in yourself with a chamber empty start but it's still no reason to allow the finger near the trigger.
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Not arguing this and everyone is going to have their own take, but on my sig, the finger rides the frame, I have never been inside the trigger guard unless I intended to fire.

Make your own judgment, but it works for me.
 
Yeah, that's what I said in my first post, most models seem to direct the finger to the frame, I did see one that seemed close to the trigger but I can't remember which gun it was for. I've seen lots of theory as to why it happens but I think it just boils down to the shooter doing it himself, I've seen plenty of ADs with non Serpa holsters all from
Fingers wandering into the trigger guard on their own.
 
Bolivar said:
With my 1911 my finger rests on the frame. I don't know if it is due to the holster design for the 1911 or because I use a leg rig or what but I have no issue.
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Don't use a leg rig, but this has been my experience as well, with a 1911.
Generally I shoot a M&P, with either a level 2 ITAC or a level 1 Fobus. No issues here. We shoot hot holster, one up the spout, so this is particularly important.
Don't know exactly what "modified prone" is, as being used by ORA CQB, but I assume that it is along the lines of "urban prone". Never have had a problem with debris and the pistol/holster.
 
IMHO I've worn the stuff professionally for over 20 yrs, it always changes and it all depends on what you are doing.
If you plan on doing ranges than you have to plan for that, now if you're that 88% of joe public who is waiting for the zombie apocalypse than that is a whole new ball of wax!
 
Bolivar said:
Yes, lying prone on your side rather than stomach
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Yes, falling to the left or the right, depending on the circumstances, with both pistol and carbine. We have done a fair bit of that. We have plywood car silhouette props, engage the targets from underneath.
 
Okay, this will either help some new shooters or confuse the heck out of them. My goal is the former. I also tried to be as brief as I could. Try not to fall asleep.

My kit is budget based and developed over time. It works for me but is far from the best option for all.

Flame suit on, slag away :D

[youtube]l5HfQ_40_Wg&feature=plcp[/youtube]
 
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