savage 16 fcss 270 wsm issue

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bought this gun using the exchange forum here and had good/quick exchange. Gun was like new and previous owner had only put 24 rounds thru it with no issues. I put 16 rounds of winchester ammo thru her and no issues. Bought 3 boxes of federal premium powershok and immediately had issues. I had a tough time running the action after a shot, I also had few primers fall out after the shot. I am a greenhorn and thought that maybe being so new, gun needed more rounds threw her and tried another box of winchester powermax and even though I have no primers blowing out...still have tough time running action after a shot. I appreciate any suggestions
 
You bought the firearm used and shot 16 rounds of Winchester ammunition with no issues. Then you purchased three boxes of Federal Premium Power-Shok and had a tough time running the action after the first shot and had few primers fall out. Did you notice any difference in noise or recoil when you shot the Federal Premium Power-Shok? It sounds to me like a bad batch of ammunition and it does happen from time to time. All manufacturing processes will have defects because of human error, machine tolerances, measuring, environmental, etc. All I found was a recall for .243 but who knows, it was the wrong propellant. Federal Ammunition and see what they say and have your firearm checked out by a gun smith in case it’s damaged. http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/243AS_ProductWarning.pdf
 
hummm , been reloading for a lot of years and you normally run into a tight case now and then when you bump, neck size or dont have your dies turned down enough to rack the shell back into spec, but this is factory ammo right !! and have fiddled with guns a fair amount .

beleive it of not there is not a lot to a bolt bolt gun, Bolt, chamber, neck, and recoil lugs, all in a percision milled receiver! thats it, screw a barrel on and a stock and you have just built a gun!

are you having hard bolt lift, and hard pull back or just hard pull back?

there or only 3 things your shell can get hung up on or tight, its pretty simple

1- a tight chamber as your case expands ?
2- Tight neck
3- a short neck so the case is rammed into the front of the neck

as for popping primers really only 2 reasons for this,

1- over pressure
2- head space on the gun


my guess, knowing the facts and only from what you are saying , if factory ammo is giving you issues , its likely the headspacing!

Which means someone from the factory or where you got the gun , did not turn your barrel on enough, or they did too much.

Could be a recoil lug issue as well but not likely

Thats my guess. check you front lug nut as well !

j
 
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thanks for the info guys, I am contacting federal and also looking to take the rifle to a gunsmith. The federal ammo doesnt seem to have anymore noise or felt recoil, but I did start having issues after using it and the primers falling out may be a sign of too much powder. Some shots result in no issues, but when I do have an issue, it is difficult to rotate and pull the bolt back, hope it isnt an expensive repair.
 
Too much pressure. Easy solution is use different ammo that doesn't cause a sticky bolt. Are the 3 boxes all the same lot #?
 
toonascott said:
thanks for the info guys, I am contacting federal and also looking to take the rifle to a gunsmith. The federal ammo doesnt seem to have anymore noise or felt recoil, but I did start having issues after using it and the primers falling out may be a sign of too much powder. Some shots result in no issues, but when I do have an issue, it is difficult to rotate and pull the bolt back, hope it isnt an expensive repair.
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and thats a good solution, the smith will tell you in 5 min if its the chamber, or head space.

and the last advice gived try new ammo or different ammo

i assume it functions fine with live rounds unfired
 
it functions fine with live unfired rounds, and I did try some winchester powermax ammo yesterday and she is still tough to work the action after firing.
 
Time for a gun smith my friend, something is not right if you can not extract fired factory brass from different lots and types.

Does the bolt follow free with nothing in the chamber, if you take the bolt out do you see scoring, or metal filings..

A long shot but sometimes if the trigger is fooled with it will hang up, but you will feel and hear metal on metal. ( again a long shot) but ya never know, sometimes over torch rear tang will hang her up, and even rear weaver bases with too long of screws,, but again a long shot !! and would be a different feel, and woul dnot be smooth with or without ammo !!

good luck

J
 
labrador76 said:
Please stop shooting that thing and take it to a smith!
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Laugh2 Ok, Ok...no more shooting until she is checked out by a professional. I called a few gunsmiths today and they are all very busy, but I found one in Mount Forest that is an authorized Savage service center, going to drive up saturday and see what we can do about getting this gun tip top. I have a couple of pesky coyotes to dispose of.
 
unfortuneatly....not alot of people think its important to be honest, straight forward or forthcoming these days. Everyone I know has a way of "spinning" their own version of the facts or making excuses for everything they say or do...I have found that my honesty and trusting nature have put me in many situations like the one I am in with this gun. Just hope to have better transactions in the future. I also have to try and give the benefit of the doubt to the guy that sold it to me....but I have a feeling that I got this thing "dumped" on me. I have had a chance to "dump" this gun into someone elses lap...but I am going to get it fixed.
 
I just did an experiment based on my web research of head spacing on savage firearms. I read that people often use "factory loads" to check or adjust their head spacing. The described using a factory live round to screw the barrel in until they felt very minor resistance as the barrel came into contact with the round. They then tightened the locking nut and then made a no go guage using the same live round and placing a double layer of scotch tape on the primer end of the round. If it had anything more than a slight resistance to closing the bolt...too tight. I just did this "no go" test and it looks like my headspacing is loose. I can put 4 layers of tape on a factory load and close the bolt effortlessly.
 
I don't think that would cause a sticky bolt after firing though???? Not sure how that could cause over pressure....if anything wouldn't excessive head space cause lower pressure and stretched cases???? I'm just guessing.
 
I decided to try a spent round and they have resistance to extraction, not as bad as a freshly fired round. If I put a single layer of tape on a spent case...bolt wont close. I am a green horn, but sounds like you guys might be able to help me figure this out based on your posts. Thanks again for your ideas and opinions.
 
A rough chamber or short throat might cause a sticky bolt??? How about trying a little lube on the back of the locking cams and see if that makes a difference...when you say sticky, how sticky is it...like two hand on the bolt to open it or just a little more force than when the chamber is empty??
 
I cleaned the gun after each round and extracted rounds had traces of Remlube on them. I can cycle the action with my right hand, but have to hold rifle with left hand and both legs...it is really tight after a shot.
 
I really think you need to have a gunsmith look at it before firing it again...maybe you should contact the seller and out right ask him if he had the same issues. It really sucks if thats the case.
 
here is a pic of some of the fed prem rounds that had issues
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notice they all have a 70 degree mark on them, I am guessing that is from the bolt as it rotates and the shells dont. Its like they are jammed solid into the chamber after being shot.
 
another piece of info, put a fired round into chamber...dry fire...tough to extract...tougher than simply chambering a fired round and then cycling it out. Yep....d:h: time for a gunsmith
 
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