What is this ammo?

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Here is some more. Can you guys guess what these are?
First pics, here is the first rounds to I.D.
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Little ones are CB Caps, big one is the 8x56R Model 30 used in the 1935 Hungarian Mannlicher rifle and in converted 1895 straight-pulls.

The Adler-mit-Hakenkreuz shows that this batch was made after the Anschluss.

".......Morgen die ganze Welt!"

Hope this heils.....I mean HELPS!
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Second pics, for I.D. That is a .22 L.R on the far left for comparison.
The headstamp on the far left all it says is 38 on top, 45 on the bottom.

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guess what these are. ^^^^^
 
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It would be a LOT better if you would:

1. leave a photo there after you have posted it. This way, it looks as if none of us can COUNT, much less identify what you are posting. Besides, when you are posting here, the threads are preserved for an archive for future users.... the very few who bother to use the SEARCH function (and can get it to work).

2. When posting a line-up of cartridges, try for a straight side-on shot of the group PLUS a shot of the case-heads in the same arrangement. Be sure to include something so that we can get an idea of SIZE. For example, in the new photo, the second-from-right COULD be a .297/.230 Morris Short but we have no idea how big it really is..... and that can make a big difference.

This will really help.
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BIG problem with angled shots, especially with the very-short-focus lenses now available, is distortion of the parts closest to the camera. For example, some of the cartridges you show look bulged toward the front end. Makes them really hard to ID. This is a problem common to ALL short-focus lenses. This is why you sometimes get those close-up shots of your favourite girl-friend.... with her NOSE as big as the rest of her face! Same thing with gun pictures; I am SO tired of photos of MP-40s with the whole gun CURVED because somebody got too close. Solution is to BACK OFF and use the Telephoto option.

Hope this helps.
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< I fixed it, and thought I better leave a note here or everyont will think that smellie had lost it again ;) > woodchopper
 
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The one of the right looks like a pin-fire cartridge.

I'm not an expert but maybe a 9mm pin-fire cartridge.

h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinfire
 
greyman441 said:
guess what these are. ^^^^^
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These "identification posts" are like trying to get information from my ex-wife. She seems to think you are supposed to make a decision or in this case, identification, when she gives out about 10% of the information, but hides the really important things, (like headstamps) from view. Also any markings on the cases themselves, like the writing on the pinfire round.

As SMELLIE points out, a 90 degree SIDE view will give relative sizes, and the Headstamps are the really important identifiers. It also helps to have a vernier calipre to measure the bullet diameter and cartridge case length.
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New batch:

.22RF HP

7.62x25TT Soviet made, 1945..... just missed the Battle of Berlin

.32 revolver, likely Long Colt...... should be something on the base

TOY cartridge for toy revolvers made in the 1950s/1960s

.297/.230 Morris Short..... smallest cartridge made for the military SNIDER rifle!

9mm Pin Fire
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Pick up the most recent edition of CARTRIDGES OF THE WORLD by Frank C. Barnes. DBI Books, about 600 pages, about $23. Best single-volume book for starters.
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Cartridges

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O.K. We have identified the 8mm Steyr and the .22 CB (or Flobert parlour cartridges,) so I will give the rest a shot.

22 Long Rifle, 7.62 Tokarev pistol, (could also be 7.65 Mauser,) next a 32-20 Winchester, a corroded or previously buried .38 British Smith and Wesson with a 200 grain bullet, (Webley pistol), then a Morris Cartridge (adaptor cartridge) and a 9mm pinfire.
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BUFFDOG is right as to the .32 long case; it is a .32-20, real old one, too.

I am certain that the strange one with the Zinc bullet is one of those dummies for the toy revolvers. I have one here, picked it up in a junk bin.

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BUFFDOG is right as to the .32 long case; it is a .32-20, real old one, too.

I am certain that the strange one with the Zinc bullet is one of those dummies for the toy revolvers. I have one here, picked it up in a junk bin.

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I won't argue with you on that one. It was a S.W.A.G. on that one that I made. Considering the information given, it was not too bad an identification for two old farts two minutes in posts and twenty five miles in distance apart.


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1) 22LR
2) 7.62 x25 Tokarev
3) ? not 32-20 too short
4) toy ctg c1960
5) 297/230 Morris short
6) 9mm pinfire
 
the far right is perhaps egyptian 8mm mauser, second from right is dominion arsenals 7.62 nato, next from right is .303, then 7.62x54R and beside your .30-06 is a cast .30-06 me thinks
 
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