savage Alaskan Brush Hunter 338wm 18" barrel !

BigUglyMan said:
Blind magazines never, ever, come unlatched inadvertantly. The same cannot be said about floorplates or DBMs.
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I have never seen a properly latched hinged floorplate "pop" open in the field on a good quality bolt action of mine or any other hunting partners in twenty years of hunting and shooting. Maybe it happens to the same guy who has to run a common factory chambering available at Crappy Tire because he forgets his handloaded .666 Mashbangers on the kitchen counter and ruins the hunting trip of a lifetime. :p

Most modern rifles with hinged magazine floorplates have latches that are closed tighter by recoil so that the magazine will not open under recoil. Pick your Remchester:
* Winchester Model 70- spring-loaded plunger floorplate latch, recoil will lock it tighter
* Rem 700- spring-loaded hinged latch, the heavy part of the latch is at the top front, where recoil wil pull it closed tighter.
* Ruger 77 Mk II- spring-loaded hinged latch, the heavy part of the latch is at the top front, opened by pushing forward on the bottom of the latch lever.
* Browning A-Bolt- spring-loaded plunger floorplate latch, recoil will lock it tighter.

I have no dog in the fight as I carry both designs with no strong preference, but I feel the failing hinged-floorplate argument is overstated.
 
savage rifles are accurate, great value and reliable ...whats so wrong in that?

why the hate? .... may be to much superiority complex or insecurity's if such and such firearm does not have certain label on them and costs over a thousand dollars.

not everyone can afford expensive rifles.
 
torontogungal said:
They call them SAKOs and they retail for a wee bit (2 or 3X) more than the $600 or so for the Savage.

I own a couple of Savage rifles myself and judging from my own positive experience and from what I saw at the range last week the 18" bbl Savage Brush Hunter is a lot of gun for the money. The owner was indeed pleased at the end of the day.

You don't buy a budget rifle and expect H+H or Westley Richards quality. What you'll get is a functional tool that will get the job done for you. And those guns are dead on accurate for bargain basement guns.
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If they had the fit, finish, craftsmanship, and trigger of a Sako, they'd be worth 3x more. But they never will, because Savage aims for the bottom end market.

They could shed the 'cheap' stigma if they wanted, but their innovation is always about going cheaper, not better.
 
SimilkameenSlayer said:
savage rifles are accurate, great value and reliable ...whats so wrong in that?

why the hate? .... may be to much superiority complex or insecurity's if such and such firearm does not have certain label on them and costs over a thousand dollars.

not everyone can afford expensive rifles.
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Wanna see superiority complex go read a Cooper thread with all the guys listing how many they have, how many are on order and how many Swaro scopes are on them, like a big circle jerk party :puke:
 
scott_r said:
Wanna see superiority complex go read a Cooper thread with all the guys listing how many they have, how many are on order and how many Swaro scopes are on them, like a big circle jerk party :puke:
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So what is the correct terminology for the Savage owners who feel the need to hate on high-end rifle owners?
Is it an inferiority complex or superiority complex? :p
Lucky for me I don't own either Savage or Cooper rifles. :eek:

I am perfectly happy driving a ten year old Honda Civic {keeps more cash in the pockets to waste on guns!}
it gets me anywhere I need to go reliably, but does it compare to the beautiful S2000 that just blew by me on the freeway...hell no!.
You either choose to get caught-up in the d$ck-measuring contest of our consumer based society or you choose not to.
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
I went a different route and bought a model seven CDL chambered in .350RM. Lots of horsepower in a svelte little package with a 20" barrel and open sights. An honest 2900FPS with a 200gr TSX and TAC. With a 4X scope just hold on fur out to 300 yards.
If stainless is the deal-breaker then I suppose the savage is the winner, I just can't warm up to a rifle chambered in a magnum-length action {over 3.25" } with a barrel bobbed to 18 inches...the concept totally eludes me. Huge sacrifice in efficiency. I can admit to wanting to see the massive fireball from the muzzle of that Savage, but, cool as it would look, we all know exactly what it is.
If I was the OP I would hold out for a stainless Ruger M77 MKII in 350RM, you've got a robust,CRF short rifle with a cartridge made to play the part.. They pop-up on the EE every couple of months.
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I did the Ruger route, and love the little beast. I've been looking at trying that 200gr Barnes load. Barrel lopped to 19", swap out the recoil pad to a Limbsaver, trigger job to 3lbs, and let the fun begin. With the medium contour of the barrel, there's enough weight there to make it comfortable toplay with, and compact enough to work with.
 
bjjzak said:
I did the Ruger route, and love the little beast. I've been looking at trying that 200gr Barnes load. Barrel lopped to 19", swap out the recoil pad to a Limbsaver, trigger job to 3lbs, and let the fun begin. With the medium contour of the barrel, there's enough weight there to make it comfortable toplay with, and compact enough to work with.
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Sounds like a keeper! You might like the fact that TAC is a ball powder as well, it meters nice and smooth.
 
Who would have guessed in a million years that this thread would degenerate into a Savage haters vs Savage lovers babbling contest? :rolleyes:
Deja vu.
We do the Savage thing about a dozen times a year on CGN.

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torontogungal said:
Who would have guessed in a million years that this thread would degenerate into a Savage haters vs Savage lovers babbling contest? :rolleyes:
Deja vu.
We do the Savage thing about a dozen times a year on CGN.

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Well, one thing is guaranteed, the Savage lovers do a lot of babbling...:p
 
BigUglyMan said:
How so? What is preferrable about dumpung them into your hand instead of cycling them through the action? I don't understand this paranoia about running the ammo through the action to unload. You don't have to run it into the chamber, just push it far enough that it pops out of the magazine.

Blind magazines never, ever, come unlatched inadvertantly. The same cannot be said about floorplates or DBMs.
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We improve things to make them more convenient. Dropping the rounds out of a hinged floorplate into the palm of your hand is more convenient and faster than cycling them through the action. Hinged floorplates preceded blind magazines, but the blind magazine did not come about as an improvement. The blind magazine was neither faster, nor more convenient, rather it came about as a cost cutting measure for those who insisted on the lowest common denominator. That is the mindset that brought us the Remmy 710/770. If unloading a rifle with a blind magazine resulted in a safety issue, the fellow who was responsible for creating the unsafe situation when unloading his rifle would be unsafe with any firearm regardless of its design.

In the context of powerful rifles, the onus is on the shooter to ensure his rifle is well maintained and that it functions as reliably as possible. A floorplate that unhinges under recoil is one that was either poorly designed in the first place and needs replacement, or its worn out and should be fixed. Something that is worn out or was poorly executed in the first place should not be characterized as typical of the breed. That is no more indicative of a design defect than is the detachable magazine that inadvertently drops out through normal handling; it simply means something is amiss and it needs to be corrected before it becomes an issue in the field. We still provide the troops with magazine fed rifles even though there might be a problem with a magazine from time to time.
 
torontogungal said:
Who would have guessed in a million years that this thread would degenerate into a Savage haters vs Savage lovers babbling contest? :rolleyes:
Deja vu.
We do the Savage thing about a dozen times a year on CGN.

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I haven't seen any real Savage hate in this one yet, just a couple of members calling them what they are... an entry level rifle, big difference between that and a post like caramels.

You do the Savage thing a dozen times a year? Your join date apparently says otherwise :confused:
 
Boomer said:
We improve things to make them more convenient. Dropping the rounds out of a hinged floorplate into the palm of your hand is more convenient and faster than cycling them through the action. Hinged floorplates preceded blind magazines, but the blind magazine did not come about as an improvement. The blind magazine was neither faster, nor more convenient, rather it came about as a cost cutting measure for those who insisted on the lowest common denominator. That is the mindset that brought us the Remmy 710/770. If unloading a rifle with a blind magazine resulted in a safety issue, the fellow who was responsible for creating the unsafe situation when unloading his rifle would be unsafe with any firearm regardless of its design.

In the context of powerful rifles, the onus is on the shooter to ensure his rifle is well maintained and that it functions as reliably as possible. A floorplate that unhinges under recoil is one that was either poorly designed in the first place and needs replacement, or its worn out and should be fixed. Something that is worn out or was poorly executed in the first place should not be characterized as typical of the breed. That is no more indicative of a design defect than is the detachable magazine that inadvertently drops out through normal handling; it simply means something is amiss and it needs to be corrected before it becomes an issue in the field. We still provide the troops with magazine fed rifles even though there might be a problem with a magazine from time to time.
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So to boil it down we're concerned abotu speed and convenience? Then why aren't DBMs the be all and end all rather than a floorplate? Certainly a floorplate is fast to unload, though likely slower than a DBM. But a hinged floorplate is no faster to reload than a blind magazine so where is the convenience issue? How much time is saved and is this relevant or simply an exercise in debating minutae? The argument that we give our troops a DBM has no bearing on the hunting field. The military asset may be called upon to deliver a large volume of fire in a short period of time and will be doing so with (hopefully) the assistance of cohorts. If grunt #1 has a mag take a dump the rate of fire doesn't go to zero and he can change the defective mag out and get back in the fight. If something goes south when you are in the alders following up a grizzly or in the jesse with a body-shot elephant and your rifle takes a dump you may well end up dead because there could be no help standing next to you. Thus, the blind mag is foolproof.
 
I hate savages. Can I join this "debate"?:p

Gun brand aside, I have owned a couple and kinda really like the .338 and the last thing I would do is but an 18" barrel on one. If you find a 22"+ barrel unwieldy on a magnum, then stop hunting in spider webs.

The muzzleblast would be horrible with such a short barrel in such "dense" bush as would require an 18" tube anyway.

Marketing gimmicks extraordinaire, like accustocks and triggers.
 
SimilkameenSlayer said:
savage rifles are accurate, great value and reliable ...whats so wrong in that?

why the hate?
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They are just p!ssed because "cheap" savages are just as reliable and in a lot of cases, will out shoot their "high end" firearms that they paid 3x more for. I am just happy to be shooting good groups and having good hunts rather than being part of the cooper circle jerk club.
 
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