savage Alaskan Brush Hunter 338wm 18" barrel !

I haven't seen any real Savage hate in this one yet, just a couple of members calling them what they are... an entry level rifle, big difference between that and a post like caramels.

You do the Savage thing a dozen times a year? Your join date apparently says otherwise :confused:

The Internet is a big place.
The Savage love / hate thing.
It's a recurring theme on many gun message boards.
Didn't think this one would be any different.
 
So to boil it down we're concerned abotu speed and convenience? Then why aren't DBMs the be all and end all rather than a floorplate? Certainly a floorplate is fast to unload, though likely slower than a DBM. But a hinged floorplate is no faster to reload than a blind magazine so where is the convenience issue? How much time is saved and is this relevant or simply an exercise in debating minutae? The argument that we give our troops a DBM has no bearing on the hunting field. The military asset may be called upon to deliver a large volume of fire in a short period of time and will be doing so with (hopefully) the assistance of cohorts. If grunt #1 has a mag take a dump the rate of fire doesn't go to zero and he can change the defective mag out and get back in the fight. If something goes south when you are in the alders following up a grizzly or in the jesse with a body-shot elephant and your rifle takes a dump you may well end up dead because there could be no help standing next to you. Thus, the blind mag is foolproof.

For some folks they are, but I have two problems with DBMs. First is that they don't improve the look of many of the rifles they were added to as an afterthought, but more importantly, I tend to leave the damn things behind. Now clearly that is my failing and not the DBM's, but the fact remains, I don't leave the magazine at home if I remember to bring my floorplate equipped rifle with me.

The speed of reloading is the same for all 3 types of magazine. If you want, or need, to reload quickly, have a stripper guide machined into your rear bridge and load with strippers. DBMs might be a tad quicker to reload if you have more than one, otherwise they offer no advantage in the speed of reloading, but at some point the ammo has to be stuffed into the spares as well. I doubt that bolt gun reloading can be accomplished any faster with a magazine swap than with strippers.

With respect to one's rifle failing at the moment of truth in a close range dangerous game scenario, again the onus is on the hunter to ensure the reliability of his rifle is as close to 100% as is possible. The thought of a floorplate coming unhinged, dumping the rounds on the ground as the hunter is charged is truly a nightmare scenario, and if the idea keeps you awake at night you can tape or pin yours closed, or as you point out, choose a blind magazine. The reality is though that a good quality, well maintained floorplate is as likely to break at the critical moment as is your extractor or the firing pin that you've exposed to thousands of dry firings in preparation for this moment.

Some individual rifles though have idiosyncrasies that require special consideration if they are going to function reliably. An example is my custom Brno 602 .375 Ultra. If the rounds in the magazine were pushed to the rear of the box, it was possible for the bolt face to slip past the top round without picking it up, due to the rebated rim of the Ultra case. Thus when loading, I had to ensure the top round was pushed forward until the nose of the bullet contacted the front of the box (actually the bottom of the feed ramp) the round then was reliably picked up and the recoil of the first round properly indexed the subsequent rounds in the magazine. If your rifle has an issue as easily resolved as that, it doesn't need a great deal of attention, but failures that take it out of action are not acceptable and must be addressed prior top going afield.

But, is the blind magazine foolproof? Fools shouldn't operate machinery, but I doubt that the blind magazine is worthy of your praise. If your rifle is exposed to rain, snow, dust, sand, or gets dunked in a swamp, there is no convenient way to clean out the magazine short of taking the rifle apart. If you take the rifle apart, get it all cleaned out and back together you cannot be absolutely sure that your zero hasn't shifted, so now you have to confirm your zero. Compare that to opening the flooorplate, clearing the carumba that has collected there, wiping it dry, closing it up, wiping off the ammo, reloading and being on your way. By the way, this is where Mauser style bolts that can be disassembled without tools have an advantage over their modern counterparts as well.

I recall hiking along the coast one day, stopping for a beak, and propping my freshly cleaned and oiled 590 against a rock. My dog of course managed to get tangled in the sling and knocked the gun over into the fine beach sand which instantly coved every surface it contacted . . . inside and out. And of course we hadn't walked 100' further when we met up with a rather large polar bear in the rocks. The gun wasn't completely out of action, but I was fortunate that I didn't have to shoot. Some days s**t just happens, and thats when you find out just how foolproof your gear isn't, and discover just how easily you can be made of a fool of.
 
Boomer- The biggest plus of a DBM you forgot to mention in your novel is that a rifle can be unloaded with the push of a button when the sudden need arises, such as spotting the game wardens while road hunting. Try doing that with a blind mag while driving! :D
 
They are just p!ssed because "cheap" savages are just as reliable and in a lot of cases, will out shoot their "high end" firearms that they paid 3x more for. I am just happy to be shooting good groups and having good hunts rather than being part of the cooper circle jerk club.

Some people are tired of the 'Savage is the greatest' circle jerk also...
 
Some people are tired of the 'Savage is the greatest' circle jerk also...

People base their opinions on their experiences and the experiences of reliable friends with a brand of firearm.
I own 2 and am extremely satisfied with the price, performance and dependability of my Savage rifles and have a couple of friends like the guy with the Savage Brush Hunter that are very happy with theirs.
So, it's "play it again Sam" for those wonderful Savage rifles.V:I:
 
Some people are tired of the 'Savage is the greatest' circle jerk also...

You mean like the Rugar, Winchester, Remington ones? :rolleyes:

Personaly this rifle would problebly be too fricken loud and the ammo to hard to get for my liking but I like the concept.
 
People base their opinions on their experiences and the experiences of reliable friends with a brand of firearm.
I own 2 and am extremely satisfied with the price, performance and dependability of my Savage rifles and have a couple of friends like the guy with the Savage Brush Hunter that are very happy with theirs.
So, it's "play it again Sam" for those wonderful Savage rifles.V:I:

What 2 do you run?

You mean like the Rugar, Winchester, Remington ones? :rolleyes:

Personaly this rifle would problebly be too fricken loud and the ammo to hard to get for my liking but I like the concept.

Yes, there are circle jerks going on for every brand, although
some people are in denial that there is an elephant in the room...;)
 
What 2 do you run?



Yes, there are circle jerks going on for every brand, although
some people are in denial that there is an elephant in the room...;)

Model 11 - .308 Win
Model 116SS - .30-06 Sprng

Both sub MOA with several brands of factory ammo and hand loads.
Elephant - NO
Deer - YES
The '06 has taken 3 deer (2 bucks + 1 doe).
 
Personaly I think they are priced twice what they should.

Now build the same rifle in 6.5x55 with an adjustable peep sight and I'd be impressed. :D
 
I'd like to see a magazine made to hold 5 rounds for this rifle like on the ruger scout...
I'm looking for a backpacking gun and this would be pretty sweet, decisions decisions. Either this or a 12.5 grizzly.
 
I'd like to see a magazine made to hold 5 rounds for this rifle like on the ruger scout...
I'm looking for a backpacking gun and this would be pretty sweet, decisions decisions. Either this or a 12.5 grizzly.

Start adding non-essential "do-dads" and the rifle goes from $650 or so to well over $800 like the Ruger Scout.
One of my friends has a Scout - 1 1/2 to 2" at 100 yds was the best grouping he could get while I was shooting my little "girl-chopped" Savage 116 (.30-06) and getting 3-shot keyholes on the same target.
We switched guns for a few rounds and there was no appreciable difference in the grouping of either gun.
Like the looks of the Scout but don't like the seriously inflated price tag and my $300 cheaper Savage rifles will put it to shame at the range.
The Savages are bare-bones, no frills guns and that's why they are cheap and good at the same time.
 
Start adding non-essential "do-dads" and the rifle goes from $650 or so to well over $800 like the Ruger Scout.
One of my friends has a Scout - 1 1/2 to 2" at 100 yds was the best grouping he could get while I was shooting my little "girl-chopped" Savage 116 (.30-06) and getting 3-shot keyholes on the same target.
We switched guns for a few rounds and there was no appreciable difference in the grouping of either gun.
Like the looks of the Scout but don't like the seriously inflated price tag and my $300 cheaper Savage rifles will put it to shame at the range.
The Savages are bare-bones, no frills guns and that's why they are cheap and good at the same time.

This is what I mean about Savage putting their focus in the wrong direction. A .308 is not likely to be used for the same purpose as a .222, so why does it need to be as accurate when the target is most likely a deer or a black bear taken over typical hunting ranges or in the case of the more powerful .338 and .375 rifles a moose, a grizzly or even a bison might be the intended target. These are not targets that require a rifle capable of shootinng bug-hole sized groups even if bug-hole sized groups makes us feel good when shooting from the bench. If a big game rifle shoots 2 MOA, its still twice as accurate as it needs to be. But its reliability trumps all else. I am more concerned with a front sight that won't fall off if it bumps a rock, a bolt handle that doesn't come off in my hand like a bunch of Remington's I've seen over the last couple of years, a floorplate that allows access to the magazine well but doesn't pop open under recoil, and a stock that is as strong as it is impervious to weather, than I'm concerned about a big game rifle being able to shoot half minute groups from the bench; that ain't what its for. In the field I'm not shooting from a bench. Probably I'm trying to shoot in the wind, I'm wet and cold, because I'm standing up to my knees in water and mud as a snow squall rolls in . . . and thats only September. Know anyone who can shoot MOA under those circumstances? I don't, and I know some pretty talented guys when it comes to shooting; way better than me. If you can get into a suitable position and hit a soft ball sized target at 100 yards within 5 seconds of being given the signal to shoot, you're a very good practical shot, and it doesn't take a sub MOA rifle to do it.
 
Boomer:
Nothing falling off of my 2 Savage rifles and I've put 100's of rounds down the spout and several deer in the fridge and a few miles through rough bush with them slung over my shoulder in all kinds of weather.
I don't baby my guns.
They're automatically working guns if they're in my gun safe.
If they don't stand up they'll find themselves on a used rack pronto.
And I'll take the bug sized Savage groups vs 2" Ruger groups even if I'm forced to keep $300 in my purse to get that kind of accuracy.
You won't need to twist my arm to make that decision ether. ;)
 
Boomer:
Nothing falling off of my 2 Savage rifles and I've put 100's of rounds down the spout and several deer in the fridge and a few miles through rough bush with them slung over my shoulder in all kinds of weather.
I don't baby my guns.
They're automatically working guns if they're in my gun safe.
If they don't stand up they'll find themselves on a used rack pronto.
And I'll take the bug sized Savage groups vs 2" Ruger groups even if I'm forced to keep $300 in my purse to get that kind of accuracy.
You won't need to twist my arm to make that decision ether. ;)

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I love her.
 
Boomer:
Nothing falling off of my 2 Savage rifles and I've put 100's of rounds down the spout and several deer in the fridge and a few miles through rough bush with them slung over my shoulder in all kinds of weather.
I don't baby my guns.
They're automatically working guns if they're in my gun safe.
If they don't stand up they'll find themselves on a used rack pronto.
And I'll take the bug sized Savage groups vs 2" Ruger groups even if I'm forced to keep $300 in my purse to get that kind of accuracy.
You won't need to twist my arm to make that decision ether. ;)

he's talking about real, tough conditions, like Kodiak island, the Arctic,
Africa, etc. not Ontario deer camps.

I'd bet no one takes Savages to hunt cape buffalo...
 
he's talking about real, tough conditions, like Kodiak island, the Arctic,
Africa, etc. not Ontario deer camps.

I'd bet no one takes Savages to hunt cape buffalo...

And how many members here hunt those remote and exspensive to get to locations? :rolleyes:

But for the record...

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