Trichinosis in bear meat.

medvedqc said:
i came from Europe and one of the few countries where it s legal to hunt bear and i can insure you that there is no recipe for smoked bear ham : others can do differently.

i dont think the laws are less stricts in N America than in Europe. i will never eat a rare or medium pork in Europe because Trichinosis is still here.

why 3 years and less and no risks ? do you think a one year cub is not eating meat ? it takes only 15 days of diet to make trichinosis "working" ...

is that simple that only a well cook meat avoid any trouble.
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You're quite misinformed. Ever heard of Black Forest Ham? It's cold smoked. It's also often done with wild boar meat and bear on an obviously limited basis. The price was extreme in Sweden until they opened bear hunting a few years ago, now it has dropped somewhat. It's still prohibitively expensive in Germany. Cold smoking is very popular there and always has been, also with sausage.
There is less risk of trichinosis in a younger bear than an older bear, for reasons you should be able to figure out. Like I said, I don't eat any bear undercooked or untested, but I won't even consider eating old bears no matter what. Others are free to do as they wish.
 
im not misinformed what i said is im coming from a country where it s still legal to hunt bear and in that country they re not doing that and this is very close from Germany.

as i wrote : ..."...others can do differently ..."... i doubt you ll be able to find bear meat in Germany : there is no hunting season and Finns and Swedes keep all the meat for their own market plus the brown bear is mostly made in steel can and well cook. vets from UE are really not on light side for wild game.

no for young or old bears that s your choice ... one of the best bear meat i ate was from an old boar in september in northern quebec over 59th and he was feeding since weeks on blueberries field ... sorry i cant figure out why a young is better than an old ..

all the best.
 
BigUglyMan said:
No wastage laws out there?
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Once the meat is in my house, it is my property, wether I throw out spoiled carrots, freezer burnt chicken or diseased bear doesnt matter. If an animal is carrying a disease I wont be eating it.


Worms in fish are one thing. Trich is a different level of whoop ass.
 
medvedqc said:
im not misinformed what i said is im coming from a country where it s still legal to hunt bear and in that country they re not doing that and this is very close from Germany.

as i wrote : ..."...others can do differently ..."... i doubt you ll be able to find bear meat in Germany : there is no hunting season and Finns and Swedes keep all the meat for their own market plus the brown bear is mostly made in steel can and well cook. vets from UE are really not on light side for wild game.
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of course there's no bear season in Germany. There's also no Elk/ red deer hybrid season there, but plenty of that meat available, imported from NZ.
I have eaten smoked bear ham in Germany and Sweden. It was cold smoked both times, no cans.
It's OK to admit you're wrong on occasion, you should try it some time. ;)

I have no clue what your last sentence means... :confused:
 
Veterinary in Union European are testing a lot wild game meat and they re strict.
this is what i meant in that specific sentence.

for years you cant import into Germany bear parts including Sweden and Finland and of course Russia and that s included meat ...
read about CITES and bear in UE you ll be surprise what happens for years.
it s not because they re selling you bear meat that it was .....

in Sweden of course you may have eat bear they re hunted again but hunting has been closed for years ...

when im wrong i admit in a snap but i can tell you that from the country im coming there is no way the bear is smoked and the germans and austrians coming for hunt never asked for smoked bear meat ....

if you want you go on and speak to me in german even if rusty pretty sure ill get a clue about your speaking ....

no as you love teasing people tell me about why young bear compared to old ones what is the scientific side and your experience on black and brown bears please educate me.

all the best.
 
medvedqc said:
Veterinary in Union European are testing a lot wild game meat and they re strict.
this is what i meant in that specific sentence.

for years you cant import into Germany bear parts including Sweden and Finland and of course Russia and that s included meat ...
read about CITES and bear in UE you ll be surprise what happens for years.
it s not because they re selling you bear meat that it was .....

in Sweden of course you may have eat bear they re hunted again but hunting has been closed for years ...

when im wrong i admit in a snap but i can tell you that from the country im coming there is no way the bear is smoked and the germans and austrians coming for hunt never asked for smoked bear meat ....

if you want you go on and speak to me in german even if rusty pretty sure ill get a clue about your speaking ....

no as you love teasing people tell me about why young bear compared to old ones what is the scientific side and your experience on black and brown bears please educate me.

all the best.
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There has never been a time when you couldn't import black bear into Germany or Sweden. I'm more than only well aware what CITES entails, there's really no need to try and pick an argument on that subject. I've had a direct relationship with the export/import of black bear hides/meat/skulls etc. to Germany and Sweden for close to 30 years, and it has NEVER been prohibited.
At one time, I could get a CITES from the local DNR office and fill in the blanks, now it has to come from Ottawa and that takes 2-3 months and can only be obtained after the kill, which means the hunter can't take the parts with him. Only US hunters are exempt if they're in possession of the raw hide.
FWIW, Sweden has no CITES requirements on NA black bear, but you need CITES to export from Canada. Germany has a requirement.

And it's European Union, not Union European.
 
seems we have a problem : you re speaking about black bear while im speaking about Ursus Arctos .... the endemic hunted european species ...

in Europe there is no black bear hunting and you cannot import siberian or asiatic black bear ... the mystake about the UE name is a mix between the french name and english one ... thanks to head me up.
 
bearkilr said:
It's much more present in grizzly and polar bear due to the fact they are far more carnivorous than a black bear, therefore the reason no jurisdiction has a legal requirement for a hunter to make use of grizzly or polar bear meat.
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you re right but most are during the same for black bear meat and it s shame even on grizzly or polar bears. grizzly bear meat is a great meat if you know how to cook it. we ate last winter the grizzly meat of a very old boar and it was very very good ... so good that nothing remain in a short time ...
 
medvedqc said:
..... grizzly bear meat is a great meat if you know how to cook it. we ate last winter the grizzly meat of a very old boar and it was very very good ... so good that nothing remain in a short time ...
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The shoulders, hams, ribs, neck, loins and tenderloin was all consumed, and everyone we gave that meat to, four families, without exception said it was fine. One friend had chorizo sausage made at a local meat shop, and it was as good as any we ever tasted.

Marg and I just finished the last of that meat, a loin, few weeks ago. it was as you say, "very very good."

Ted
 
medvedqc said:
you re right but most are during the same for black bear meat and it s shame even on grizzly or polar bears. grizzly bear meat is a great meat if you know how to cook it. we ate last winter the grizzly meat of a very old boar and it was very very good ... so good that nothing remain in a short time ...
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Mmm, grizzly......so, I gotta ask, do you eat wolf as well? :)
 
bearkilr,

you speak maybe very well but your last sentence prove you have no clue what you re talking about ...

first you never answered why a younger bear than an older three years old one ???!!! on the taste and eat side ?

then
the diet of northern grizzly like the ones we have here is made at 90% of vegetation (grass, berries, roots etc ...) the remaining is rodent, moose and caribou and sometimes fish. we call that an omnivorous like european wild boar so despite being on the carnivorous side the brown bear or grizzly are omnivorous at least here in Yukon.

i ate european brown bear that was feeding all the summer on oat and i can tell you the meat was great ....

if you want some studies links just ask.

pretty sure that many black bears in southern part of are eating more meat ....
 
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medvedqc said:
bearkilr,

you speak maybe very well but your last sentence prove you have no clue what you re talking about ...

first you never answered why a younger bear than an older three years old one ???!!! on the taste and eat side ?

then
the diet of northern grizzly like the ones we have here is made at 90% of vegetation (grass, berries, roots etc ...) the remaining is rodent, moose and caribou and sometimes fish. we call that an omnivorous like european wild boar so despite being on the carnivorous side the brown bear or grizzly are omnivorous at least here in Yukon.

i ate european brown bear that was feeding all the summer on oat and i can tell you the meat was great ....

if you want some studies links just ask.

pretty sure that many black bears in southern part of are eating more meat ....
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OK, riddle me this; why is it a requirement to pack out black bear meat and not grizzly?
 
bearkilr said:
BC, Alaska, etc. Of the places that have both species, it is only a requirement to pack out black bear meat. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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In the Yukon all bear meat is legally considered the same. The same rules apply to any bear species.

Nothing wrong with grizzly meat whatsoever.

And while I have not eaten wolf, I will whenever I get the chance, and I have eaten many other things like squirrel, ground squirrel, beaver, cougar, lynx and coyote.

Lets not forget that the meat of all mammals is edible, period.

If a person personally dislikes something (beaver definitely not being my favorite) then that is one thing, but pretending it is inedible is pure foolishness.
 
Yukon : there is no distinction between grizzly and black bear and this is legal to let the meat in the field. p29 of actual regulations.

NWT and Nunavut : same and you add polar bear.


in those territories of course you cannot spoil the fur.

for Alaska the black bear meat obligation is only for spring bear and only front and hind quarters plus backstaps.

but in Alaska there is a subsistence hunting season and zones for brown/grizzly bears.

here s the latest infos i have.

hope it helps.

for BC someone may chime in but the regulations is really not easy to read.
 
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