ksg on the ee for 1600 bucks
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this one, i think falls into the last two..
admitting that you know the price is high is just plain rude.
admitting that the price is double plus some is just plain greedy.
we've all seen some real "steals and deals" on the EE here, but I think this one takes the cake.
Like you and blaxsun said, the price is only going to drop and the buyer will lose his investment the second the third shipment arrives.
Besides which, the buyer isn't even going to be the first one in Canada with one.
So you could buy a plastic KSG that's bound to have teething issues and that's rail is going to break or you could buy a gently used benelli m4 for 1900 and still have the $ left over for a aimpoint h1...
hmmm. lets think real long and hard about this...
Thing that gets me is that KelTec products are just toys, no real purpose other then plinking. So at anything over a grand I can name about 100 products that I would buy over it that are better quality and thay will last me in the long run. KSG is a prime examble of a gimick. Give me an 870P any day of the week, proven track record and cheaper...If you really need 15 shots to drop what your shooting at chances are you shouldnt be near a gun.
not to mention its plain ugly to me
not to mention its plain ugly to me
blaxsun
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That's what I get for surfing while drinking.
At least you weren't drunk-dialing your ex.
Please tell me what "purpose" a tactical 870 has over a KSG?
That entire post sounds like sour grapes to me.
Weapontech
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Well, I dunno....
Kel Tec is introducing some pretty innovative products. Much of the design concepts are unique, and have a wide appeal to many, including myself.
Why are they appealling? Many of their firearms fall into a very exclusive niche, where there are very few / no, (or significantly overpriced) competition, (i.e. KSG vs NEOStead 2000, for example).
This wide appeal, is where the problem starts - The RFB, KSG and others are in very high demand; moreso due to how the products were introduced, and the relatively low-volume capability of Kel Tecs manufacturing facilities (when compared to the likes of Remington, for example).
So, I like the products but they are all relatively new to the market. Regardless of appeal, there are going to be growing pains for buyers who choose not to wait for a reasonably priced unit. I think $900 for a KSG, that works as it is supposed to is reasonable. I think paying $2500 for the first Gen of the KSG is not only rediculous, but the buyer is immediately losing $1700 in depreciation costs. That also assumes that it's going to work as it is supposed to.
Too many variables, too high a risk for $2500. Less so for $900....
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Weapontech
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Sure, if you really thing there's an aftermarket in the 50-100%+ retail markup...
LOL....
Wait for it; The over-paying buyers will have these things on the EE in about a year to 18 months. By then, you'll have new KSG's listed at around the +200 over local list price - say, $1000 to 1100......
Glad some people have money to throw away - keeps the economy going I suppose!
blaxsun
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In a year? These will still be selling for retail. Not to knock the KSG or anything, but the way people talk about these things you'd think it was the second coming... It's just a shotgun, and a first production run at that. I'll wait until the hype dies down, prices retain some sense or normalcy (like the RFB) - and what (if any) problems may crop up.
Addendum: I'm certainly not knocking those that want to pay more to have the 'latest, coolest toy on the block'. Bragging rights are probably half the fun.
The fact that you can buy 4 870 tac express for the price of one ksg?
1/4 is bound to work and not have a polymer rail break off as soon as you add a forward dildo.
innovative yes. But i think there is a reason the neostead, hs10, and others following the vein didn't work and grow.
price? possibly
supply? possibly
lack of demand? possibly.
crappy product/teething issues? possibly.
The nice thing is keltec doesn't have all of their eggs in one basket. so if the KSG does follow the trend of like shotguns they aren't f*cked.
look at how "accuracy issues" have dogged the mini-14. even now when they have fixed the problem.
I'll wait to see if they work out the teething issues, then, only then, pick one up off the EE for LESS THAN RETAIL.
WestIslandRifle
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wolverine has them priced at 999.00$ new
Some people want the newest toys, myself included, however $2500 for a pump shotgun?? I would take that and buy a Benelli M4 Super 90 Entry, no way would I consider anything else for over $1800.
I also agree with blaxsun, wait a bit and see how it performs and what bugs (if any) come up. Also, Anyone who knocks a 870P, probably isn't aware of the rich history of the 870, it is and will be for a long time, the best pump action shotgun out there. ( )
I also agree with blaxsun, wait a bit and see how it performs and what bugs (if any) come up. Also, Anyone who knocks a 870P, probably isn't aware of the rich history of the 870, it is and will be for a long time, the best pump action shotgun out there. (
)Stating the obvious doesn't answer my question. The post that I was responding to stated that the 870 was somehow more "purposeful" a firearm than a KSG which in the OP's opinion is only good for plinking. IMHO since neither are trully suitable for hunting, both are "plinkers".
Some people want the newest toys, myself included, however $2500 for a pump shotgun?? I would take that and buy a Benelli M4 Super 90 Entry, no way would I consider anything else for over $1800.
I also agree with blaxsun, wait a bit and see how it performs and what bugs (if any) come up. Also, Anyone who knocks a 870P, probably isn't aware of the rich history of the 870, it is and will be for a long time, the best pump action shotgun out there. (
I am well aware of the 870's rock-solid reputation and I'm not knocking the 870 by any means. Too bad that reputation is all Remington has been riding on lately. I would confidently state that the build quality and attention to detail coming out of Keltec surpasses 90% of all recently manufactured Remington product.
and how much is your ksg up for on the EE?
How's the barrel change on the KSG? fairly easy I bet, but anything floating around? swapping barrels is a pretty nice feature to have, you can contour the gun to your purpose without changing anything else.
chokes? Can I toss a choke in there? the purpose being tightening my pattern.
manually switching tubes when one is empty? If I've got 14 on board and feel i need that, I'd like to be able to utilize that as much and as quickly as possible.
where are the sling mounts? again, if there are 14 in board, there better be provisions for easy carrying.
AFAIK, 870/590/500 don't have these problems :
visually confirming a firearm is empty is a, uh, a pretty big thing, no?
same with possibly detaching your fingers with a load of buckshot.
dead trigger? no thanks.
I realize these are all pre-production things.
how is reloading without taking your eyes off the target? Doesn't seem to be any way to reload quickly without wasted motions, or putting one in the chamber quickly without flipping the shotgun over.
for the purpose of a fighting shotgun, being able to be used in high stress environments/situations, things should be kept simple IMHO.
yes, the KSG is a nice firearm.
Is it the end all, game changer? no.
Does it have a purpose? yes, right now - range.
is it worth +$1000? no.
time will tell the rest.
