Range Report: G21 vs 1911 Clash of the Titans

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Picked up a lightly used Glock 21 recently, never held one or fired one so I needed to see what all the fuss was about. Finally got out to try it last night. Just an informal first impression/comparison against my Springfield Mil Spec.

Glock Gen 3 21 (Lone Wolf Ultimate Trigger Stop and tungsten guide rod)
Springfield Mil Spec (Wilson trigger/sear/hammer)

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Used factory Glock 10 rdrs and 10/13 mags, and ACT 8 rdrs/misc 7 rdrs in the SA. American Eagle 230g fmj in both.

No mag loader so Glocks were a real pain to get 10 into, typically ran 9. The 13 rounder was virtually impossible to get 10 into. With 10, mags were a chore to seat on a closed slide. Conversely, 1911 mags are easy to load right to the last round. Increased capacity in the Glock doesn't seem to be a huge advantage over the 8 in the 1911, although mag changes are idiot proof with a wide magwell like the Glock has.

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Surprised at how easy the 21 was to shoot, full frame really fills the hand and its very pointable. Negligible recoil, it is really easy to keep muzzle on target for follow up shots. Two hand or one, dumping mags is a breeze. Found it is easier to keep it on target one handed than the 1911, although I need to concentrate on trigger control a bit more. Not used to the take up, a few times I "pulled" a bit and caused some bad muzzle dip at release :redface: .

It was pouring rain the whole time, bit of an advantage to the Springfield with Pachmyer wraparound grips. Although the Glock never really got slippery until it was covered in mud.

Shooting at 7-10 yds, both pistols were printing pretty tight when rapid firing (I had three targets set up: two at three feet apart with a third about ten feet off to the side). Got to pretend I was dealing with multiple threats haha. Didn't bother taking pics of the targets, at that range both pistols were grouping within 1" when I took my time, opened up to average 2" if I was hammering it as fast as I could.

No holster or mag pouches for the Glock so it was strictly pocket carry with a spare mag in hand. Mag change while transitioning to third target was faster than with a single stack but not as fast as dumping the Glock and drawing the Springfield from my Milt Sparks (wonder if anyone actually watches the security camera at the range? They would probably think I'm an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to touch a gun!)

Gratuitous pic because I didn't take any of my targets:

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Found the Glock sights to be pretty bulky but up close they are fine. At 25 yds I'm not too confident for "fine" work, but a human sized target was getting good peppering. Not sure about movie style head shots at that range, especially if there was a bystander in the way :D. For precise shooting, the edge goes to the Springfield (at least in my hands).

As I said, raining pretty hard. Gave both pistols a quick torture test. Unloaded, overhand throw as far as I could chuck them down range. Retrieved, and bore snake down barrel just to ensure no obstructions before shooting. The Glock barrel was full of dirt and grass from muzzle to chamber, had to poke it out with a stick before swabbing. Banging it against the shooting bench did nothing, it was packed.

New mag, dumped full mag without a hitch.

Springfield got same treatment, full mag fed flawlessly (although trigger failed to reset completely a few times after its "flight". Turns out its a bit more fussy with mud in it.

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Put 500 rds through the two pistols over the course of the evening, both worked great. No ftf/fte, good fun and both ran great. My only complaint with the Glock is the mags, they are a pain to load and its difficult to seat mag with slide in battery. Other than that, so far I think its a great pistol. The trigger will still take some getting used to, but overall ease of operation and controllability makes it a breeze to shoot.

Another pic for the heck of it:

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Conclusion: I like the Glock. I'm not going to sell my 1911, but I'm impressed with this piece of plastic. Never gave them too much attention before, never had a desire to own one. My mind is changed, even with my brief introduction to it, it seems like a durable solid piece of equipment. Thanks for reading, if it wasn't informative, I hope it was at least entertaining!
 
Own both, like both

My Glock 21 was my "go to" gun for reliability and it fed just about anything. I also had a few 1911A1's that were just as reliable. While both are fine at 25 yards, the 1911 with the front lockup barrel bushing has the advantage.
If we had concealed carry permits here, the G21 would be a serious contender, however, I would probably opt for the single stack Glock in 45Gap. Or I might carry the very nice G17.
The true test of accuracy for pistols is the 50 yard line. The 1911 is the King at this distance....
 
Conclusion: I like the Glock. I'm not going to sell my 1911, but I'm impressed with this piece of plastic. Never gave them too much attention before, never had a desire to own one. My mind is changed, even with my brief introduction to it, it seems like a durable solid piece of equipment. Thanks for reading, if it wasn't informative, I hope it was at least entertaining!

Thanks for the test. Very interesting read. To be honest, I wouldn't even think of mistreating my Norkie 1911s like you did your Springfield:D

Don't know if you've seen this, but this torture test of a G21 is what sold me to try Glock (albeit mine is a 17). I seriously doubt a 1911 will have passed beyond the first couple of tests.

http://theprepared.com/content/view/90/administrator/
 
The true test of accuracy for pistols is the 50 yard line. The 1911 is the King at this distance....

Possibly. My goal wasn't bullseye shooting between the two though, more of an informal comparison in a more "defensive" type situation (not that I claim any expertise in that!). I did a bit of shooting further out, but by that time I was completely waterlogged so wasn't putting a pile of effort into pinpoint accuracy.

Thanks for the test. Very interesting read. To be honest, I wouldn't even think of mistreating my Norkie 1911s like you did your Springfield:D

It felt kinda wrong to wing it downrange, but I felt I should at least TRY to be impartial.

Don't know if you've seen this, but this torture test of a G21 is what sold me to try Glock (albeit mine is a 17). I seriously doubt a 1911 will have passed beyond the first couple of tests.

http://theprepared.com/content/view/90/administrator/

I had seen that link, sorta in the back of my mind as I did it. Its a pretty over the top test he's got going on, I'm more interested in immediate effects than long term as a result of abuse/environment. I suppose there are many unfortunate things that could theoretically happen to damage a pistol, I just figured water and dirt were probably a couple of the most common issues to come up in a shooting type situation. Also, a pistol being dropped/thrown could conceivably be a part of a scenario, which is why I did it. Not sure if a person would have time to swab out the barrel before resuming fire in a life or death situation, but since this wasn't, I figured I would err on the side of caution :D.
 
No mag loader so Glocks were a real pain to get 10 into, typically ran 9. The 13 rounder was virtually impossible to get 10 into.

There is no doubt in my mind that your 10/13s must have been pinned wrong. They are so easy to load to 10. That is one of the main reasons people prefer the pinned mags. If you learn the technique the 10/10s will not be an issue either. If I get a chance I will post a vid of me doing it with mine.
 
Love the G21 also. Sold my first one but then picked up another. I'm a 1911 lover at heart but my Glocks are go to guns.
 
I love my G21 as well. I do not own a 1911. The Glock was bought used off the EE and I have never had a problem with it. The stock 10rd mags are indeed a pain to get the last rds in and when fully loaded they are tough to seat in the pistol. I find that I shoot my G21 better than my Gen 4 17.
 
..... Although the Glock never really got slippery until it was covered in mud....
....Unloaded, overhand throw as far as I could chuck them down range....
....had to poke it out with a stick before swabbing. Banging it against the shooting bench did nothing, it was packed....

....Springfield got same treatment, full mag fed flawlessly (although trigger failed to reset completely a few times after its "flight". Turns out its a bit more fussy with mud in it....

...I'm not going to sell my 1911...


Good! 'cause I ain't gonna buy it or any other gun you might put up for sale!


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There is no doubt in my mind that your 10/13s must have been pinned wrong. They are so easy to load to 10. That is one of the main reasons people prefer the pinned mags. If you learn the technique the 10/10s will not be an issue either. If I get a chance I will post a vid of me doing it with mine.

So this is a common thing with the 10 round mags? Please do, I'm interested to find out more.
 
Try a G20. You'll never go back.

I like the .45, the reason I chose the 21. Most other centerfire calibers don't stick around too long. Favorite cartridge, like it in pretty much anything I've tried. If only I could find a .45 Luger!

I'll choose any time a 45ACP caliber 1911 over a glock

1911 is my pistol of choice, all things being equal. I won't trash a Glock any more though, think it was money well spent. Thanks again to the cgn member who sold it to me, hope you're not angry if you read what I did to it!
 
Good! 'cause I ain't gonna buy it or any other gun you might put up for sale!


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Funny. No harm done, although its the first time I've ever chucked a pistol down range. Neither seem to have suffered from the treatment, the Springfield got a complete teardown after getting home, maybe the 21 will get one too.
 
Love the G21 also. Sold my first one but then picked up another. I'm a 1911 lover at heart but my Glocks are go to guns.

+1

Personally, I've found the G21 too large in the grip to my liking so have passed on owning one. The G22 .40 cal would be my "go to" pistol, though.

I still love the 1911's and the .45ACP ctg though. And Lord knows I own/have owned enough of them over the years.

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So this is a common thing with the 10 round mags? Please do, I'm interested to find out more.

It's common with 10/10 G17s as well. I have no issue but have had to help a lot of people put the 10th round in. Try using two thumbs. One thumb around the rim and one in the middle of the case pushing down and sliding in at the same time.
 
+1

Personally, I've found the G21 too large in the grip to my liking so have passed on owning one. The G22 .40 cal would be my "go to" pistol, though.

I still love the 1911's and the .45ACP ctg though. And Lord knows I own/have owned enough of them over the years.

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I thought that as well about the G21 grip. I actually bought the regular G21 not the SF after seeing how well I shot with it. If you have only held it and not shot it you really should give it a try. I wonder if the bulk of it lends to its tameness and accuracy. It's was my first Glock. Now I have four. Similar to others here I also love those 1911s!
 
I can get them loaded, but its a pain. The other issue is seating a full mag in the pistol with the slide closed. Minor beef but not very smooth or speedy reloading when you have to fight to get the mag locked in.
 
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