re: "sniper rifles"

Lee Enfield said:
Hmmn,
I actually collect "sniping rifles", 99% of the rifles in this forum are "hunting".

Most "sniping rifles" are not accurate enough to be "target rifles", and certainly are not "precision rifles".

Some "sniping rifles" were "target rifles" which were inducted into the sniping role due to their availability and accuracy.

Some "precision rifles" have been used as "sniping rifles" for the same reasons.

Taking a MN 91/30 and installing an original scope and mount does not make it a "sniping rifle".

Taking a PH 1200 TX and putting a Kahles 6x ZF-69 on it does not make it a "sniping rifle".

Taking a Rem 700, installing a Mike Rock barrel, modified Win 70 steel bottom metal, an Unertyl 10x and a McMillan stock, does not make it a "sniping rifle".

Having said that, alot of the guys in this thread have done just that and called it a "sniping rifle"....
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fixed it for you
 
I think there are two problems here that the OP mashed into one and it's not working. One is the usage of the term sniper rifle and the other is bashing newbs for making a minor mistake.

If a newb pops on here, doesn't read a single sticky, doesn't lurk around and learn, doesn't stick to the newbie section and doesn't use the search function, they'd better have some thick skin. I'm not gonna fill them in but there is no shortage of guys on here that will. Do I think that's fine? No, not really. As a firearms owner I feel that I should be better than that. Educate the guy without being an a-hole for example.

As for using the term "sniper rifle", it's incorrect and my stance on that has nothing to do with politically correct lieberal mind control speak. I'm not afraid of the word or concerned that people might find it offensive, it's simply incorrect.
 
Boomer said:
Hmmm, good post, but I think I'll disagree. The antis won't support the private ownership of firearms regardless of what we call them, so I have long since stopped caring what they think. To do otherwise is to offer ourselves onto the alter of political correctness where we would restrict ourselves into nonexistence. Thus we have stopped calling firearms weapons, despite the fact that some people need to be shot from time to time and a firearm used as a weapon is the best tool for the job.

I can own a Winchester 94, 86, or 73 lever actions, or a P model Colt without being a cowboy, yet in the popular media at least, "cowboy guns" are clearly used to kill people. Still few object to the term "cowboy gun". So why is it that I can build a M-700 to the same specifications as an M-40 or M-26 but can't call it a "sniper rifle", without ruffling feathers. That's just silly. The problem isn't the sniper part of the term, its the rifle part.
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You know, Boomer, until I read your post, I tended to agree with the others about the use of the term "sniper". But you do make an excellent point - we have "Cowboy Action" shooting, which no one objects to. No one claims that "sporting clays" is cruel to the clay pigeons. Why should they care if we call our long-range toys "sniper rifles"? It won't make a bit of difference to the anti's, and if we explain the harmlessness of the term to neutrals, no damage will be done.

The one issue that I TOTALLY agree with the OP on is the need for more civility. This forum can be horrible for that. Sometimes, I am ashamed at the way shooters treat each other here, and can almost hear the anti's laughing.
 
Papaclaude said:
The one issue that I TOTALLY agree with the OP on is the need for more civility. This forum can be horrible for that. Sometimes, I am ashamed at the way shooters treat each other here, and can almost hear the anti's laughing.
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I agree, maybe the users and the mods need to start calling people on that more often. I always wonder if people are so miserable why they log on to a forum.
 
pilot2001 said:
If i had the cross hairs on a deer or an elks nose that would be a headshot. Although thats not a shot i would personally take. I do apreciate the comment and fead back :).However my point might have bin missed a little. i was just trying to prove to Bullzeye that our " Long Range Hunting Rifles" are very precise and are very easily capable of the "groups" that he "would Like to see " ... and yes i enjoy my rifles and they are not for killing people. They are tools of sport and gathering. As well as a part of most of our families history and i would like to keep them that way.

I agree people need to loosen up. But as other members have already posted, the people that dont want us to have guns want to call them weapons or "sniper Rifles" so they can take them away. So for the love of the sport and the tools the terms " LRH or long range hunter " or " precision rifle " will do just fine. Exspecially since, unless your military or police ... your not in the buisness of killing people :/


... Didnt see bottledwaters post , Nice work ! Thank you !
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I was actually attempting a good natured poke at you because the human head is 10" and the "apricot" is the term used for the light switch inside the skull.

Yes we need to ratchet down the suck when a faux pas is made by an OP.
 
Holy F**k, this is more entertaining than throwing a handful of change into a group of bums. Not that one more opinion matters here but I agree that people shouldnt be grilled for using sensitive or incorrect terms. They should be corrected. If they continue to use those terms then they should be grilled. Notice how most "bash the newb" threads usually dont have many responses by the OP? Why is that? Maybe they didnt like being ignorantly disrespected by pompaus douche bags? Hm, wonder how their shooting is going after being attacked viciously for using a term they didnt realise was incorrect or sensitive. Do they even have an interest in our sport after meeting these wads? And what case would the anti's have when someone uses a word like sniper, and is then politely told by "gun owners" that sniper is not a term used for sporting arms? But I'll let you guys get back to your flaming bash fest, I think thats all this thread is here for anyways...
 
I had an LEO tell me I had a good sniper rifle at the range only last week.

Neither of us appeared to have any scary thoughts running through our heads as he said it. We just carried on talking like two grown men having a normal chat.

Imagine that, the sniper word was used and nothing bad happened.
 
If i respond directly to the "Sniper" aspect of this thread, I will get banned....but to all you Newbies out there and to those who may have picked up another sector of the shooting sports....keep asking questions

Ive been shooting primarily handguns for 30 years, do i know it all? NOPE, Im still learning.
Ive recently purchased rifles that would work in target and benchrest shooting....and I know nothing about the rules or terminology used within....therefore I will be asking questions, just like everyone did when they first started out.

Remember to educate and mentor new people to the sport, regardless of age.
 
warrenb said:
I had an LEO tell me I had a good sniper rifle at the range only last week.

Neither of us appeared to have any scary thoughts running through our heads as he said it. We just carried on talking like two grown men having a normal chat.

Imagine that, the sniper word was used and nothing bad happened.
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thats because your in quebec and its still regestered, therefore no threat :D

hey how many rounds fit in the clip? :ar15: :D
 
The OP has been on this site for 7yrs. Not exactly a noob.

I wonder why he doesn't post much after all the wonderful comments he has received.

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Any rifle becomes a sniper rifle, but only when there's a professional sniper firing it.

A .50 cal pimped out Barrett (or whatever else) with a noob behind it is therefore NOT a sniper rifle. The very term "sniper" is a profession, not an inanimate object. Therefore, any rifle in any caliber belonging to a professional sniper is a sniper rifle! Likewise, any rifle in any caliber that does not belong to a sniper is NOT a sniper rifle. There's more to accurate shooting than proper equipment.

(please remember to inform Lieberals and Dippers of this whenever opportunity comes up)

Duh!

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Tazzy said:
The OP has been on this site for 7yrs. Not exactly a noob.

I wonder why he doesn't post much after all the wonderful comments he has received.

:rolleyes:
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Just a polite observation, but if the OP has really been on this site for 7 years, then based solely on his own posted info, he's been gleaning information from biased sources.

If he actually had 7 years of F-class, F/O or TR under his belt instead, I suspect he would have a differing opinion than he does have now.
Myself I'm guessing he has the blinders on for benchrest shooting only.

I'm not begrudging benchrest at all. But please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't 200 yards the furthest BR shooters compete at?

just my meager opinion
 
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