Ellwood Epps client service SUCKS for me!

I have had many good experiences at Epps and with dealing with Kevin and the other staff... I have bought and sold guns there and never felt in anyway misserved or ignored. I have found it busy at times, but figured that is good for everyone, as a store that isn't doesn't last very long, and have either decided to wait through the chaos or come back at a less busy time. When I do speak with someone, they are knowledgeable and are quick to pull stock out for a look.

I have found they are quick to send pictures, and transfers are hassle free. They have a VERY up to date website with 1000's of guns of all types available at any one time... what better site or store is there? I haven't seen one yet.

Kudos to you Kevin and the rest of your staff...
 
Generally, If you are looking for customer service don't go to a gun shop.
Most of these guys are hired because of their familiarity and experience with firearms and not because of their freindly nature or high intelligence.

Since you are wont to question other's intelligence, let me help your's with a little grade-school refresher. "I" before "E" except after "C" or when pronounced as "A", as in neighbour and weigh. You're welcome.
 
ive never understood this forum flaming tactic of spell correcting someones typing. anyway, i bought one gun from epps, 3 years ago. everything went smooth as butter but you always get this attitude from phone and e-mail conversations that feels like "we dont need your business, we dont want your business." i remember calling once about a year later inquiring about a .22 caliber conversion and getting the same attitude. the op post seems right in line with what i expect from epps. call me a whambulance but theres plenty of other dealers that need and want my money and and earn my return business.

i suspect many of the employees at epps feel phone and internet sales are merely "nuisance business" if epps has something i need in the future i will deal with them but i would expect zero to nil in customer service.
 
i suspect many of the employees at epps feel phone and internet sales are merely "nuisance business" if epps has something i need in the future i will deal with them but i would expect zero to nil in customer service.

Phone and Internet sales account for more than 1/2 of our daily sales, Ottoshot. You could not be more mistaken when you claim that we consider such sales to be "nuisance business". However, after you deal with an endless barrage of telephone calls asking such mundane questions as "Are you open?" or "Is this the gun room?" or "Do you sell ammunition?", on top of answering more than 80 E-mails in a 9-hour day, and seeing several hundred customers in that same time span, patience levels can run thin.

It always amazes me how every single person on these boards seems to think that their idea of Customer Service should be something akin to indentured servitude where the person behind the counter must bend and flex to every single whim and fancy of each and every customer. There seems to have arisen an unreal expectation among society at large which insists that any person in a service position should be nothing short of a whipping-boy for every person that walks through the doors of their establishment -- whether that service person is a waiter or waitress, a receptionist at a medical office, or a retail sales individual. The Customer Is Always Right attitude has become The Customer Demands To Be Right At All Costs, when in reality the customer is only right when they are right, and sometimes they are wrong.

I know that that statement will fuel an endless stream of backlash and debate on that subject, but truly customers must realize that businesses -- ALL businesses -- are run on some sort of guidelines and principles that, while perhaps not as agreeable or flexible as any one individual might prefer, are the foundations of success for that business. Ellwood Epps is in the customer service industry, and our staff members do the very best that they can to provide a high level of service to each and every individual that steps through our doors. Are we perfect? Do we make mistakes or experience the occasional off day? No, Yes, and Yes. We are, after all, only human.

But then again, so are our customers. And as I stated previously, what are the chances that some of these issues don't actually begin on the other side of the counter, with customers wearing immense chips on their shoulders, or entering any given establishment with unreal expectations?

Visit our store on a Saturday afternoon, around 2.00 o'clock is the best time, and see just how insanely busy that place can be. And then gauge for yourself the level of customer service we are able to provide to the bodies in the store, the voices on the telephone, and the faceless contacts that filter through the Internet.

If you come in expecting 'zero to nil customer service', you have already made up your mind, haven't you? And there is little that we can do at that point to change that opinion. Why not try a fresh approach -- perhaps a little bit of appreciation for the effort we do put into our jobs so that you can enjoy the recreational sport you have chosen, and around which our store is centered.
 
umm i dunno what the fuss is about, don't like 'em? don't go there... simple as that, just don't whine about it. kinda like i dont ##### on fastfoodnutz.com about mcdonalds when they screw up my drive through order :)

personally i've found their service, selection and prices very reasonable, but that's me.
 
Phone and Internet sales account for more than 1/2 of our daily sales, Ottoshot. You could not be more mistaken when you claim that we consider such sales to be "nuisance business". However, after you deal with an endless barrage of telephone calls asking such mundane questions as "Are you open?" or "Is this the gun room?" or "Do you sell ammunition?", on top of answering more than 80 E-mails in a 9-hour day, and seeing several hundred customers in that same time span, patience levels can run thin.

I can see how it would take a special person to handle a day like that and it would be annoying I also do customer service. It is also upsetting as a customer to wait for service and I just hate it. So now you have both parties on edge and the customers wife bugging him wanting to go (seen this more than once) shopping for shoes. On the other hand if they were slow, had all the time to deal with you, were not stressed from other customers (I am sure we all have seen some good ones), they would have probably closed like so many other gun shops. So guys you need to be patient and if you don’t like to wait go when the store is less busy (or call) and not Saturday afternoon, that’s what I do.
 
I picked up two guns and know that these are one of the best ontario retailers out there. I message like this one that started is silly.
 
Like many folks who have lived in the Orillia area for most of our lives, Epps has been our main gun shop as it also backs on to the Orillia Gun Club. So I have witnessed the evolution of Epps since I first set foot in the place in 1971 and Ellwood himself was still behind the counter to it present state and new owners.

In the early days going into Epps was low key with maybe a few guys in the store hanging around the seemly ends gun racks. The atmosphere was fairly laid back and it was never what you would call overly busy in the place. Ellwoods death and society's changing gun attitudes, plus issues within the remaining Epps/Wise families took a severe toll on the business.

Prior to the present owners purchasing the business the infamous Ellwood Epps gunshop was a destitute business operating in an run down building, trying to live off the reputation of the man who made it famous.

The new owners have done extremely well at turning this business totally around and making it one of the top three largest gun retailers in Canada. Have the boys made mistakes along the way? Yes they have. As they are only human. And life as you know is trial and error at times. But they have done alot more right than they have wrong.
As the present owners have grown the business they have made changes to the building in an attempt to accomadate the rapid growth in sales. Examples being moving the gun room down stairs, building on a addition for the office. Moving the gun shipping dept up to the old office. All in the aid to try and serve the customers alot better.

Bottom line in my opinion at this point they have out grown there present physical building as it is not, and can not handle there customer volume at present or in the future. Major expansion of the present building or a new one is needed.

To say the store gets insanely busy is a mild undersatement. At times when you walk down the ramp to the gun room you can not get off the ramp as there is no room to stand. The fellas behind the counter are doing there upmost to serve each customer the best they can. They are literally tripping over each other. There are guns and boxes all over the counters that customers are examining always under the watchfull eye of the sales person. At the same time the phones are chirpping away and they are trying satisfiy those customers as well.

To say these guys are under alot of stress and over worked is the second understatement. I give them credit they start the day off cheerfull but as a busy day wears on patience and smiles get real thin. For those of you who have never had a job dealing with the general public it can be one of the most stressfull and frustrating experiences, it can also be one of the most rewarding.

To Wes if your reading this, you and your crew have done a fantasic job of turning Epps around. But you need to make some major changes in your daily operating methods and proceedures and the physical plant. I don't think Iam telling you anything new here. But I think you need to hear it.

To all the other folks I hope what I have said gives you a better understanding of the operation. Have patience and understanding as it goes along way in any situation. Wes will make the proper changes it will just take a little time.
 
I think all stores need an 'I know exactly what I want to buy and then gtfo as fast as possible ' line.

There's a computer store I go to that has a desk dedicated to online orders. I make my purchase on my computer, take my order number to the counter, get my 5hit and gtfo while all the lookie loos and dumb asses are bewildered.

When I shop I know exactly what I want. Shopping to me isn't a social activity, it's a pita I have to go through before I get what I want. Unfortunately a lot of others don't see it the same way.

There's a well known knife shop in Vancouver that actually closed for most of the week so he didn't have to deal with the idiots. He told me call ahead and I'll let you in because I know your going to buy something. He needed time to deal with online orders instead of hosting a social club for a bunch of cheap asses.

/rant
 
If theres anything to cry about its that when you use there website and click on what you are wanting to look at it sends you the the manufactuers website instead of giving a little description and a price. Thats the only problem i have and wish i had some cash to buy more guns but all the money is going to my jeep right now.
 
I think all stores need an 'I know exactly what I want to buy and then gtfo as fast as possible ' line.

There's a computer store I go to that has a desk dedicated to online orders. I make my purchase on my computer, take my order number to the counter, get my 5hit and gtfo while all the lookie loos and dumb asses are bewildered.

When I shop I know exactly what I want. Shopping to me isn't a social activity, it's a pita I have to go through before I get what I want. Unfortunately a lot of others don't see it the same way.

There's a well known knife shop in Vancouver that actually closed for most of the week so he didn't have to deal with the idiots. He told me call ahead and I'll let you in because I know your going to buy something. He needed time to deal with online orders instead of hosting a social club for a bunch of cheap asses.

/rant
thats how i shop i read the info and the reviews on every major purchase i buy and want to go in pay for it and leave
 
Working retail sucks,it's a lousy job dealing with unreasonable customers. Some people are good at it and can perservere through the BS and still offer good customer service. If you can't handle it then get another job with your "University degree" "ex Police" or "ex Military" qualifications.
When I buy a gun I reasearch it and know exactly what I want. I've given up on walk-in purchases because of having to deal with headcases or being ignored competely. I mail order everything now and it's been fantastic. The retailer I use is smart enough to use the right people for phone sales.
 
It always amazes me how every single person on these boards seems to think that their idea of Customer Service should be something akin to indentured servitude where the person behind the counter must bend and flex to every single whim and fancy of each and every customer.

If you come in expecting 'zero to nil customer service', you have already made up your mind, haven't you? And there is little that we can do at that point to change that opinion. Why not try a fresh approach -- perhaps a little bit of appreciation for the effort we do put into our jobs so that you can enjoy the recreational sport you have chosen, and around which our store is centered.

really? wow. "indentured servitude"? "bend and flex to every single whim and fancy"?
 
Well, as I said earlier, they messed up my first purchase big time, BUT they took care of it and did solid on the next 2, and being in retail (99% on line and over the phone) myself, I understand how Harrier .45 feels when the silly or mundane questions never seem to end. Mistakes happen, the people that work at Epps are human, sh!t does happen, I can look beyond the odd mistake, I will continue to build a long lasting relationship with them ;)
 
dealt with epps on two transactions. nothing great about them, but nothing negative either. only thing i hate about epps is most of the firearms and ammo are locked away where you cant see them. local shop here has all its firearms on the wall and in the display cases. ammo is the same way. thats how i like it. i know epps probaly has the largest collection of firearms going in canada but for cripes sake start showing some of them off. i like my eye candy.
 
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